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Old 04-08-2011, 04:31 AM   #31
 
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Sorry. I was responding to an old post, apparently, without checking the more recent posts. I'm glad you're getting the ammonia under control. I've had trouble maintaining the cycle on a 3g, so I just use if for QT now, but if you can get yours stable, and it's not overstocked, then great.

And yes, you can have fish without gravel, but also yes, the gravel does hold a lot of beneficial bacteria. It just needs to be cleaned out on a regular basis. A gravel vacuum can do the job nicely for both the 3 gal and the 10 gal. If you don't have one, you can scoop some of the gravel out with each water change and rinse it out thoroughly, or you can stir it up and try to scoop up as much as possible of the gunk that floats up with a fish net. I actually do all of these on a regular basis - vacuum every time I do a water change, whether a small change (20-25%) or a bigger change (50%), then remove as much floating gunk as I can when I put the new water in, because pouring it in will stir up stuff that the vacuum didn't pick up, plus occasionally scooping up some of the gravel and rinsing it out well. And if I have to do a 100% water change for some reason, I rinse the gravel well then, but only with dechlorinated water so I don't kill my cycle.

No problem:)

Hmm i didn't know i can have fish with out no gravel or i wouldve just use no gravel in the 3gal, Going too keep it in now or maybe take some out, But pretty much every time i do a water change which right now is usely 2days or 3days sense the ammonia is on the low side now i stir it up and get out the floating stuff, At first i was doing it very little because i thought it would hurt the fish with the stuff flying around, So i do it always now and sense the new filter usely cleans it in 5 too 10min.

But i will take some of the gravel out and clean it in the old tank water when i do a water change now.

Oh i also got a gravel vacuum but its kinda too big for the 3gal sense it has a middle tube in the middle of the tank.. and it seems too suck the water out too fast and for i know it the water is pass 50 % low.. So i mainly just use that for the 10gal and will just do it by hand for the 3gal.

Also i do have a spare 5gal but its new in the box is there anyway i can add some old gravel and use the same filters thats in the old tank and some old water? Or will that still start a cycle? It would be nice too get them in a bigger tank which is square instead of circle 3gal.. It would be much more easilyer too clean too.

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Old 04-08-2011, 04:52 AM   #32
 
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i dont think the tank did another cycle because the water has been 100% clear for pass 2months which before the water was getting clody pretty much every couple days which means its going in a cycle again which probably because i was changing the filter alot, which now i know don't change it if you don't have a sponge too hold the bacteria, But the new filter has it.
Cloudy water could be due to lots of things, but doesn't indicate whether the tank is cycling. When your ammonia and nitrite are both staying at zero, the tank is cycled. If the ammonia goes up again, followed by the nitrite, it is going through another cycle. That can happen, as you mentioned before, if you are replacing all of your filter media too often or all at the same time. You can also kill your beneficial bacteria and throw your tank into a new cycle if you let your filter media dry out while changing your water, or if you rinse your filter media in chlorinated water. To remove excess gunk without killing your good bacteria, squeeze your sponge out in the old tank water, and rinse your other media in the same, when you change your water. Replace the sponge when it gets so gross that squeezing it out each water change doesn't seem to clean it anymore. Replace your carbon filter as often as your filter instructions say to change it. Your biological media, if you have it, doesn't need to be changed at all, just rinsed in old tank water when you do a water change. Don't replace all the material at once.

As for whether the water is cloudy or clear - in your case it probably was because the gravel was dirty, and apparently you've taken care of this problem. Cloudy water could also be due to algae or other organic substances in the water that aren't always cleared out by a filter.
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Old 04-08-2011, 05:22 AM   #33
 
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No problem:)
Also i do have a spare 5gal but its new in the box is there anyway i can add some old gravel and use the same filters thats in the old tank and some old water? Or will that still start a cycle? It would be nice too get them in a bigger tank which is square instead of circle 3gal.. It would be much more easilyer too clean too.

thanks.
A 5g is still on the small side for your fish, but better than a 3g. I'd still recommend at least a 10 for a small school of either type of fish. If you use gravel and filter, with the same filter media, in the 5g, that will help speed up your cycle on the new tank, but it will still need to cycle, because it will have more water, so will need more bacteria to keep it clean. The water itself doesn't hold much of the good bacteria, so you might as well put in clean water.

What I would do is this: Leave the fish in the 3g while the 5g cycles - set up the 5g, put one of the filters, along with the filter media from the 3g in the 5g, along with some or all of the gravel from the 3g in the 5g, add Prime, add about as much food as it would take to feed one fish to the 5g daily, as a source of ammonia, and let it cycle without the fish. it's much quicker this way, because you can let the ammonia and the nitrite both get higher than it is safe to allow in a tank with fish, so the bacteria multiply faster. Squeezing out the sponge from one of the other tanks into the water in the 5g will also add both good bacteria and ammonia-generating gunk, which will also speed the process. Once the ammonia and nitrite have both spiked and returned to zero, do a partial water change - say 30%, more if needed for the water to look clean (depends on how much gunk you added from the other tanks), and check the parameters again the next day. If both ammonia and nitrite are still zero, add your fish.
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Old 04-08-2011, 06:59 AM   #34
 
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A 5g is still on the small side for your fish, but better than a 3g. I'd still recommend at least a 10 for a small school of either type of fish. If you use gravel and filter, with the same filter media, in the 5g, that will help speed up your cycle on the new tank, but it will still need to cycle, because it will have more water, so will need more bacteria to keep it clean. The water itself doesn't hold much of the good bacteria, so you might as well put in clean water.

What I would do is this: Leave the fish in the 3g while the 5g cycles - set up the 5g, put one of the filters, along with the filter media from the 3g in the 5g, along with some or all of the gravel from the 3g in the 5g, add Prime, add about as much food as it would take to feed one fish to the 5g daily, as a source of ammonia, and let it cycle without the fish. it's much quicker this way, because you can let the ammonia and the nitrite both get higher than it is safe to allow in a tank with fish, so the bacteria multiply faster. Squeezing out the sponge from one of the other tanks into the water in the 5g will also add both good bacteria and ammonia-generating gunk, which will also speed the process. Once the ammonia and nitrite have both spiked and returned to zero, do a partial water change - say 30%, more if needed for the water to look clean (depends on how much gunk you added from the other tanks), and check the parameters again the next day. If both ammonia and nitrite are still zero, add your fish.

Thanks for the advice:) Going too setup the 5gal and do what you said over the weekend, i would think the 3 fish would like the 5gal more than the 3gal right now they do seem happy right now tho, Than in the future i like too get a bigger tank for all the fish like a 20gal or 30gal. Still wish i would've got a bigger tank in the first place tho..


also im going too post some pics of the glow fish if i can because the more i look at pics of them the ones i have doesn't look anything like the pics.. They must be glow fish sense thats what i ask for in the pet store.

Hmm is glow fish and textra glowlight the same?

Because the ones i have look like the glowlight textra which is in this pic http://www.thinkfish.co.uk/fishimage...ight_tetra.jpg Mine are a but deeper yellow tho. pretty much like these http://www.ryanstropicalfish.com/glowlighttetra.jpg

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Old 04-11-2011, 04:56 AM   #35
 
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also im going too post some pics of the glow fish if i can because the more i look at pics of them the ones i have doesn't look anything like the pics.. They must be glow fish sense thats what i ask for in the pet store.

Hmm is glow fish and textra glowlight the same?

Because the ones i have look like the glowlight textra which is in this pic http://www.thinkfish.co.uk/fishimage...ight_tetra.jpg Mine are a but deeper yellow tho. pretty much like these http://www.ryanstropicalfish.com/glowlighttetra.jpg
No, glow light tetras are not the same kind of fish as glofish. If the ones you have look like those in the links you posted, then forget what I said about zebra danios with jelly fish DNA. To see pix of glofish, check out GloFish® Fluorescent Fish Home Page. I don't know anything about glow light tetras. I do know that LOTS of fish are called tetras, and they aren't even all from the same family. I'm sure you can find out what you need to know about glow lights from one of the sites you linked with. Good look with your fish.
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Old 04-11-2011, 05:06 AM   #36
 
I just checked the profile on glow light tetras - they get up to 6 inches in size, and need to be kept in groups of 10 or more - obviously you need a LOT bigger tank for them. Maybe you could find someone with a really big tank to take them off your hands, and you can get 4 more neon tetras to school with the one you have. 5 neons should be OK in a 5g for awhile, although it won't be big enough long-term.

Some friendly advice - researching needs of fish before buying them usually works better than buying them and then learning that you don't have what you need to provide for them.
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Old 04-11-2011, 07:12 AM   #37
 
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I just checked the profile on glow light tetras - they get up to 6 inches in size, and need to be kept in groups of 10 or more - obviously you need a LOT bigger tank for them. Maybe you could find someone with a really big tank to take them off your hands, and you can get 4 more neon tetras to school with the one you have. 5 neons should be OK in a 5g for awhile, although it won't be big enough long-term.

Some friendly advice - researching needs of fish before buying them usually works better than buying them and then learning that you don't have what you need to provide for them.

Hmm didn't know they get that big Ya i don't have anyone that will take them, But i do like too keep them so maybe in a few month i will invest in a bigger tank maybe 15gal or 25gal.

Walmart which i got 1 of the tetra glow lights which is about 2 too 3months old now said on the sign it will get too 1.3 too 2in max size.. And the pet store which seems too be a good one said around 1.2 too 2inins, which right now its about 1in too 1.1 If i knew they would get too 6ins i wouldn't got them.

How long will it take for them too get too that max size? The bigger glow light fish i have now is around 3months too 4months and the one from the pet store is little over a month going on 2months. They seem too do very well together tho even the neon swims and stays with them.

Thanks.

Oh forgot too tell the good news! the ammonia drop right down too 0 in the small tank yesterday after a water change, I cleaned the gravel and swish it around and got it out with a cup and than let the filters take care of the rest, But today it did went up little again so i did another water change and did the same with the gravel, going too test it in couple hours too see if its down yet, Going too take the most of the gravel out next time and clean it with the dirty tank water. But seems like the gravel is the problem for the ammonia problem. So at least i know its the problem now.
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:56 AM   #38
 
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One of you misread the profile. The max size for Glowlight Tetra is 1.6 inches, not 6 inches. But a 5g is much too small for any "normal" tetra species which must be in groups of 6 or more (5 would suffice in a pinch, but even this is too many in a 5g). Please wait until you have the 20g or larger before getting any of the tetra.
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One of you misread the profile. The max size for Glowlight Tetra is 1.6 inches, not 6 inches. But a 5g is much too small for any "normal" tetra species which must be in groups of 6 or more (5 would suffice in a pinch, but even this is too many in a 5g). Please wait until you have the 20g or larger before getting any of the tetra.
I was basing my comment on the profile at this site: Glow light tetra . I even double checked that I'd seen/read it right, because I'd never heard of a tetra that big. Anyway, maybe whoever put it up on that site may have made a typo. Don't know.

As for the neon tetras, I've read in many places that they prefer odd to even numbers, and that the minimum number is 5, but that they prefer larger groups. I currently have 8 in a 14g tank (I had 9, but one died), and they often hang out in two groups of 3 and 5, or in a group of 7 with one alone. I've been thinking of adding another 3 or 5, to bring it up to to either 11 or 13. I'm thinking 13 may be too many for a 14g, but the tank looks pretty empty with only 8, and I don't know that 3 more will be that much different. Any thoughts?
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Old 04-15-2011, 11:53 AM   #40
 
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I was basing my comment on the profile at this site: Glow light tetra . I even double checked that I'd seen/read it right, because I'd never heard of a tetra that big. Anyway, maybe whoever put it up on that site may have made a typo. Don't know.

As for the neon tetras, I've read in many places that they prefer odd to even numbers, and that the minimum number is 5, but that they prefer larger groups. I currently have 8 in a 14g tank (I had 9, but one died), and they often hang out in two groups of 3 and 5, or in a group of 7 with one alone. I've been thinking of adding another 3 or 5, to bring it up to to either 11 or 13. I'm thinking 13 may be too many for a 14g, but the tank looks pretty empty with only 8, and I don't know that 3 more will be that much different. Any thoughts?
I had a look at that link, both numbers are obviously incorrect (15cm equates to 6 inches) and that is absolutely not possible; errors do occur by all of us.

This even/odd number idea is a fallacy. Not sure how it started, it may have something to do with the mnale/female ratio in some species which is a scientific issue. But the fish need to be in a group, and the more the better. I myself like odd numbers, but for no other reason than I like to see 3 or 5 roses in a vase rather than 2 or 4; it is purely aesthetic.

In a 14g I would not go beyond 8 or 9 neon, and that assumes nothing else except perhaps a bottom fish (3-5 corys for instance). And good growth of plants; with thick planting and some branches, the fish would be out and about and more visible in the space. What is the tank length? This is more important than the volume.

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