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post #11 of 18 Old 08-07-2006, 02:53 AM Thread Starter
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I was about to ask about that..
IM just going to cycle it without anyfish, like you said it could stress the fish and id rather not so ill just do it without any fish...
I read in a book that during the cycling process you can try 3 red wag platies and 3 tiger barbs for the first batch and then after cycle is complete the 2nd batch is 3 neon tetras and 1 rainbow shark.... (for a 10 gallon tank was the example they gave) I guess it would be more for a 55 gallon? Do you know of better starting fish?

what are media baskets??
dose that mean two canister units?? or 2 media baskets on one canister?
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post #12 of 18 Old 08-07-2006, 03:05 AM
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I read in a book that during the cycling process you can try 3 red wag platies and 3 tiger barbs for the first batch and then after cycle is complete the 2nd batch is 3 neon tetras and 1 rainbow shark.... (for a 10 gallon tank was the example they gave) I guess it would be more for a 55 gallon? Do you know of better starting fish?
IMO, that's only for dummies. Neon tetras are quite sensitive to changes and will not survive. Rainbow sharks and the other labeos are NOT suitable community fish. They are very aggressive.
Don't rely on the books and lfs' advice too much.:)

I'd stick with male platies and zebra danios. Don't get female platies. They will breed readily and you'll have troubles getting rid of them. Both fish are very hardy enough to survive extreme changes in water chemistry.
Pls avoid the labeos. Before you buy a fish, try to ask for experiences. Fish Compatibility is the place for asking what fish will suit in a community.

Good luck.:)

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what are media baskets??
dose that mean two canister units?? or 2 media baskets on one canister?
It's in one canister.
I merge your 2 posts into one.
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post #13 of 18 Old 08-07-2006, 03:15 AM Thread Starter
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I just read your sticky about cycling fishless..
You told me to get 2 50W heaters, its sayin in the sitcky to turn the heat upto 80 would I turn both on 80? Also after cycle is done its says change 80% of the water do i need to re-dechlorinate, add anymore amonia? and do I fill it back up with tap water?
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You told me to get 2 50W heaters, its sayin in the sitcky to turn the heat upto 80 would I turn both on 80?
Yes. Both heaters.
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Also after cycle is done its says change 80% of the water do i need to re-dechlorinate, add anymore amonia?
Dechlorinate the water of course. Chlorine and chloramine can kill the beneficial bacteria thus you'll be forced to repeat the cycle again.
After cycling, no need to add ammonia. Just buy your first fish and their wastes will turn into ammonia which will eventually be converted by bacteria to nitrites, then nitrates.
With high nitrates, it can be remedied by adding plants like the elodeas and hornworts or do another water change(again dechlorinated).
Pls add your fish in a gradual manner so that the filter can also gradually adjust to the bioload.:)
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post #15 of 18 Old 08-07-2006, 03:33 AM Thread Starter
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cool this is some scientific stuff!!! ok about the plants do they need some kind of fertilization to grow in? or just plant in the gravel? How soon could the nitrates spike? Also how many fish should I add the first phaze and how long should I wait to add more?
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Fertilizers are available in solid and liquid forms. Get the one designed for aquatic plants. Horticultural ferts are dangerous as they usually contain additives.
Sera Florena is a liquid form and available in bottle. Sera Florenette is a solid tablet. Just bury the tablet under the gravel. Pls be aware that solid ones tend to support only the plants near it. Add those solid ferts by burying them every two weeks. As for liquid ferts, you may try to add weekly.
Be patient with the nitrates. Make sure you maintain the level of 10-20 ppm. Bacteria will convert nitrites into nitrates so it usually happens in the end of cycling.
Add about 2-4 fish every week. This is a gradual process. Adding all fish you planned may result to New Tank Syndrome. It's referred to adding too many at the same time which can pose a threat to the whole tank system. Too many fish by all of a sudden means too much wastes and ammonia that the bacteria can no longer try to cope with the amount of wastes. Again it's best to add gradually.
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I am also setting up a new tank and have a lot of the same questions. I have a couple more too!

If you are supposed to change 80% of the water at the end of the cycle, how do you dechlorinate the new water? Do you just fill up a 5gal bucket, add some dechlorinator, then dump it in the tank or do you have to let it sit for some time? Do you add the water to the tank and THEN add the dechlorinator?

I want live plants in my aquarium, can I put these in immediately or do I also have to wait until after the tank has cycled?
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If you are supposed to change 80% of the water at the end of the cycle, how do you dechlorinate the new water? Do you just fill up a 5gal bucket, add some dechlorinator, then dump it in the tank or do you have to let it sit for some time?
Just fill up the bucket with dechlorinator.Then stir and dump.

Don't put the water in the tank directly and then dechlorinating. This can kill the bacteria in the process due to presence of chlorine, chloramine and other heavy metals.

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I want live plants in my aquarium, can I put these in immediately or do I also have to wait until after the tank has cycled?
You can add the plants during cycling.
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