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Old 04-22-2013, 05:52 PM   #11
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Okay let me see if I have this all correctly: I need seachem prime which removes chlorine, chloramine, and ammonia. Does that mean I still need a water conditioner?
Yes, Prime is a water conditioner. It detoxifies chlorine, chloramine, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate, plus heavy metals. Many of us recommend it for new setups, especially with no live plants, as it covers everything.

I need to do a 50% water change. I need to add quick start to the new water along with stress coat. But I don't need to add anymore bacteria supplement. (Were you saying that once the bottle is opened it's only good for one day after that?)
You should be doing a 50% [meaning half the tank water volume] water change daily until the tank is cycled. You can read about cycling in a "sticky" post at the head of this section of the forum, but here is the direct linnk:
As others suggested, use the products you have as directed on them. They can't hurt compared to ammonia and nitrite.

Once I get the testing kit I need to test the ammonia in my tap water and I need to invest into a master kit? Did I get it all?
This is a reliable kit, the API Master Combo which has pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. And yes, test your tap water for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate just so you'll know if any of these are present; we can discuss what to do later if they are. Test the pH too, but put some tap water in a jar and shake it very vigorously for several minutes before testing [no need to do this to test aquarium water, just tap for pH]. This outgasses any CO2 which will cause a false pH reading.

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Old 04-22-2013, 07:24 PM   #12
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But I don't need to add anymore bacteria supplement. (Were you saying that once the bottle is opened it's only good for one day after that?)
I would just add the rest of the bottle, just in case. I don't see how it could hurt.
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Old 04-23-2013, 01:17 AM   #13
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Sometimes bacterial supplements will add ammonia to the tank.
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Old 04-23-2013, 05:13 AM   #14
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Or ammonium which isn't nearly as toxic
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Old 04-23-2013, 07:16 AM   #15
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I'd just use the Quick Start as your conditioner for now. That and Stress Coat are both conditioners; however, the Quick Start helps with the ammonia. Live fast growing stem plants would be a big help. There are many places online to order plants. and are two examples. Look for stem or bunched plants when ordering and pick those that say fast growing.
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:25 AM   #16
Sorry it seems you've gotten off to a rocky start in the hobby as far as the advice given to you by the store employee. Given the size of the tank and the fish you currently have, I would advise taking the fish back or re-homing them so that you can approach cycling the tank and then stocking it with better suited livestock once the cycle has completed. The fish you have at the moment aren't really suited for keeping in a 10 gallon even after the tank has cycled for the simple fact that you have shoaling fish that require larger groups of each type of fish and the 10 gallon is not sufficient enough to hold the numbers of each species you would be aiming for for optimal health and happiness of the fish you keep.

The changes you are seeing in your fish are from a comibination of the water conditions of an uncycled tank and the environment of being shoaling fish without sufficient numbers of their own kind to chum around with. Water changes are necessary for short-term fix for the first issue, and I would certanily encourage you to follow the previously given advice in regards to doing them - but the long-term issue is not giong to be resolved so that is why I suggest keeping up with daily water changes for the short-term until you are able to either make it back to the store to return the fish or find a home with an aquarium better suited to them.

This is a wonderful hobby and I would hate for this first experience to put you off of it - it's just that sometimes we must take a step or two backwards in order to move forward. Hitting the "reset" button by removing the fish from the equation for now will allow you to learn and complete the cycling process and give you time to research fish species and find a stocking plan better suited for your tank so that when your tank is ready for fish to be added you'll be all ready to go.
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