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post #41 of 127 Old 10-07-2010, 03:29 PM Thread Starter
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Byron, first of all, i can't thank you enough for your time and the answers to my questions. I'm currently doing the fishless cycle and wouldn't have done it if i knew the planted method is not hard, technical and expensive than the fishless cycle method. It's partly my fault for not reading enough about planted tanks. Well, i suppose you can understand, as a newbie, there is a lot of information to understand, digest and make a decision about that i wanted to keep things simple. I always thought plants would mean buying and maintaining a seperate soil/substrate in addition to the gravel, additional co2 injector, added cost of fertilizer, added maintenance and so on. But now that I understand more about it (thanks to you), i would have preferred the planted tank method. It's not too late now anyways. I'm going to get some more hardy plants and try them.

@redchigh - thank you. Yes, i'm considering getting more plants.

I'm planning to get the following in addition to one Java Fern and one Java Moss i already have.

Amazon swords
Crypt Wendtii
Hygrophila Polysperma

I have read that all of them are hardy and adjustable and two of them are fast growing as well. That would also give me a breathing space as well, since i want to be realistic about the situation i would be in if i get too many plants, me being new to this hobby. Any recommendations as to how many of the above plants i should get keeping in mind my tank is 125 litre and with the following probable stocking list:

1 bolivian ram
6 guppies
6 platys
? Apistogramma
6 pygmy corydoras

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I don't do anything special with plants but I'm a beginner too... I've had hornwort in my tank at work for a few months and i've never added anything, just have plain gravel substrate, and it's growing like crazy. I'm forever having to rearrange it and ball it up every time the tip reaches the surface of the water (which is great for babies to hide in if you're going to have livebearers).
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Byron, first of all, i can't thank you enough for your time and the answers to my questions. I'm currently doing the fishless cycle and wouldn't have done it if i knew the planted method is not hard, technical and expensive than the fishless cycle method. It's partly my fault for not reading enough about planted tanks. Well, i suppose you can understand, as a newbie, there is a lot of information to understand, digest and make a decision about that i wanted to keep things simple. I always thought plants would mean buying and maintaining a seperate soil/substrate in addition to the gravel, additional co2 injector, added cost of fertilizer, added maintenance and so on. But now that I understand more about it (thanks to you), i would have preferred the planted tank method. It's not too late now anyways. I'm going to get some more hardy plants and try them.

@redchigh - thank you. Yes, i'm considering getting more plants.

I'm planning to get the following in addition to one Java Fern and one Java Moss i already have.

Amazon swords
Crypt Wendtii
Hygrophila Polysperma

I have read that all of them are hardy and adjustable and two of them are fast growing as well. That would also give me a breathing space as well, since i want to be realistic about the situation i would be in if i get too many plants, me being new to this hobby. Any recommendations as to how many of the above plants i should get keeping in mind my tank is 125 litre and with the following probable stocking list:

1 bolivian ram
6 guppies
6 platys
? Apistogramma
6 pygmy corydoras

Thanks
You're most welcome. Agree, more plants. And I agree with redchigh's last comment that faster growing plants are better in new tanks. Swords fall into that category, as do stem plants.

You have a 150L/33g, from the photo it seem to be 3-feet in length, the same as my 33g. I would get 3 sword plants, assuming you mean the common "Amazon" sword like Echinodorus bleherae or E. amazonicus. They take a while to get settled, but eventually they will grow to the tank and reach the surface. One at each end sort of in the corner, maybe 6 inches out from the corner, and one somewhere between but not in the middle, too contrived. Behind a chuck of bogwood works well for this plant, and the leaves grow up in a fan behind and over the wood, as you can see in the photos of my 115g Amazonian Riverscape (those plants at the back are this species).

Crypts work well under swords as they (crypts) will grow very well in the shade of other plants. And the brown-red form of C. wendtii is very nice in contrast. Also, some pygmy chain sword would work with this combo.

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You're most welcome. Agree, more plants. And I agree with redchigh's last comment that faster growing plants are better in new tanks. Swords fall into that category, as do stem plants.

You have a 150L/33g, from the photo it seem to be 3-feet in length, the same as my 33g. I would get 3 sword plants, assuming you mean the common "Amazon" sword like Echinodorus bleherae or E. amazonicus. They take a while to get settled, but eventually they will grow to the tank and reach the surface. One at each end sort of in the corner, maybe 6 inches out from the corner, and one somewhere between but not in the middle, too contrived. Behind a chuck of bogwood works well for this plant, and the leaves grow up in a fan behind and over the wood, as you can see in the photos of my 115g Amazonian Riverscape (those plants at the back are this species).

Crypts work well under swords as they (crypts) will grow very well in the shade of other plants. And the brown-red form of C. wendtii is very nice in contrast. Also, some pygmy chain sword would work with this combo.
Fantastic! Just wondering if i can also get Hygrophila polysperma as its a fast growing plant as well along with the swords? Do you think mine being a comparitively smaller tank, both of them will overwhelm it?

Btw, do you recommend buying plants online and if yes, any specific online store you have had a good experience with, bearing cost in mind as well please?

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I don't do anything special with plants but I'm a beginner too... I've had hornwort in my tank at work for a few months and i've never added anything, just have plain gravel substrate, and it's growing like crazy. I'm forever having to rearrange it and ball it up every time the tip reaches the surface of the water (which is great for babies to hide in if you're going to have livebearers).
Thank you for your suggestion. Gives me a extra confidence when you say you never added anything and the plant is doing great :)
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There are 2 places that alot of us use for our plants one is sweetaquatics.com and the other is aquariumplants.com they both are great places to order from but sweetaquatics has slightly better prices. Most the time I can order from them and even with the shipping its cheaper than what it is from the LFS also the plants are better quality.

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There are 2 places that alot of us use for our plants one is sweetaquatics.com and the other is aquariumplants.com they both are great places to order from but sweetaquatics has slightly better prices. Most the time I can order from them and even with the shipping its cheaper than what it is from the LFS also the plants are better quality.
Thanks very much Amanda. Although i should have mentioned that i live in the UK :). If you could suggest any from UK, i would appreciate it.

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Oh opps sorry I don't know any over there. LOL

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Oh opps sorry I don't know any over there. LOL
That's ok, no worries. Hopefully someone will recommend :)
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post #50 of 127 Old 10-07-2010, 06:36 PM
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You should check out Practical Fishkeeping magazine, they have ads for UK plant stores and suppliers. I always buy plants and fish from local retailers. I like to see what I'm buying.

I wondered if you were somewhere other than the US when you mentioned Hygrophila polysperma earlier; I have heard it is no longer available (readily and/or legally) in the US because it has been released into natural waterways and become troublesome. I had it back in the 1980's. Yes, it is a fast growing stem plant. I'm not overly fond of stem plants, esp in smaller tanks, as you are continually pruning them, but they have their uses.

Vallisneria is a nice plant, suited to livebearers. Something floating would be nice, esp if there are fry as they hide in floating plants. Brazilian Pennywort (a true stem plant) works very well floating, and you can always grow it from the substrate as well and let it continue floating (though lower leaves tend to drop off then).

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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