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Old 08-09-2010, 08:58 PM   #21
 
Today I went a bought a fluorescent hood, an anubias, some sort of grass looking plant (sorry, I was in a hurry. Had the dog out in the car.), and a gold-ribbon fern(?). I also bought 5 cherry barbs, although I don't know if that was a smart move. They were on sale for $1 each.

I put root tabs in the sand and planted my plants. I also laid down a very thin layer of gravel for a little more support. I added the cherry barbs and my fish from my smaller tank. I filled one of my nylons with the gravel from the old tank, and I put the one decoration with it.

My molly seems really happy. He's swimming back and forth all over the place. He keeps running into the glass like he sees "another male," but it's just him in there. He's the most entertaining. He is acting so free. Makes me happy.

The tank is still pretty murky. I guess I didn't clean the sand as well as I thought I did. =/ Hoping that will all go away. I'll post pictures soon.
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:04 PM   #22
 
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Today I went a bought a fluorescent hood, an anubias, some sort of grass looking plant (sorry, I was in a hurry. Had the dog out in the car.), and a gold-ribbon fern(?). I also bought 5 cherry barbs, although I don't know if that was a smart move. They were on sale for $1 each.

I put root tabs in the sand and planted my plants. I also laid down a very thin layer of gravel for a little more support. I added the cherry barbs and my fish from my smaller tank. I filled one of my nylons with the gravel from the old tank, and I put the one decoration with it.

My molly seems really happy. He's swimming back and forth all over the place. He keeps running into the glass like he sees "another male," but it's just him in there. He's the most entertaining. He is acting so free. Makes me happy.

The tank is still pretty murky. I guess I didn't clean the sand as well as I thought I did. =/ Hoping that will all go away. I'll post pictures soon.
I don't think you can ever clean sand so the water will be clear. I washed mine for a few hours and it still isn't clear. Best of luck with the transfer, can't wait to see some pics!
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Old 08-10-2010, 10:05 PM   #23
 
As for a stocking list of my new tank this is what I was thinking... I got a 20g long for the purpose of hopefully being able to have a pair of honey gouramis and a pair of bolivian rams. I know these fish get somewhat territorial during spawning season, so I got the 20 long so there would be more floor area for them to claim their stakes.

I also don't know if it would be overcrowded.
Currently this is what is in the tank:
1 male dalmation molly
1 lyretail guppy
1 longfin zebra danio
1 oto (Yes, I know I need more for a group.)
5 cherry barbs

I'm willing to get rid of the first 3 listed fish if need be to get the rams and gouramis. Although I really do love my molly.

All advice or other suggestions are welcome. Thanks for all your guys help!
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Old 08-10-2010, 10:18 PM   #24
 
I also saw some Apistogrammas at my local pet store. But I know nothing about them. Does anyone else? I'm guessing they are Cichlids. But I could be wrong.

Are they agressive? How big do they get? What size tank do they need?
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Old 08-11-2010, 11:48 AM   #25
 
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I also saw some Apistogrammas at my local pet store. But I know nothing about them. Does anyone else? I'm guessing they are Cichlids. But I could be wrong.

Are they agressive? How big do they get? What size tank do they need?
Depends somewhat upon species. Apistogramma is a fairly large genus of dwarf cichlid from South America, similar in many ways to the rams. Most you find in stores will be wild caught or from local breeders. Some require very soft acidic water, a few are adaptable to slightly basic; it depends upon the species and where they come from. They are not aggressive to other fish except when spawning (defending their eggs/fry), but some species require one male to several females, others are fine with a mated pair. In a 20g I would not have more than one male plus the female(s). I would not mix these with rams (they are also dwarf cichlids), nor with gourami in a (relatively) small tank. If you can get the species name I could perhaps comment further. Water parameters will be the big issue.
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Old 08-11-2010, 12:19 PM   #26
 
Well.. As centerpiece fish I'm torn between a pair of kribensis, a pair of rams, OR a pair of apistogrammas. I wouldn't mix them. The Bolivian Rams were the fish I was originally going to go with later when my tank is fully cycled. The Apistogrammas are just so colorful. But whatever is easiest is what I will choose because this is my first tank after my 2g. A 20g is quite a step up from that.

I think it was you, Byron, that told me the honey gouramis and the bolivian rams wouldn't mix well. Is this still true with a 20 long that has more floor space? The honey gouramis that my petstores have are kind of small. 2" maybe 3".

I was planning on putting some clay pots in the tank for caves, and some hopefully real driftwood if I can find some. If not I was just gonna get a plastic one. And also a kind of rustic house that hooks up to an air pump.

I need some easy background plants that won't grow too big as well, but I don't know where to start. Java fern? Wisteria? Anubias?
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:09 PM   #27
 
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In a 20L I would say one centrepiece fish is it, by which I mean one "pair" depending what it is. I do not advocate mixing gourami with cichlids in this size tank. I would suggest either a small group (3-4) of honey gourami plus some smaller shoaling fish (rasbora, characins, corys--some but not all species of these will work). Or a pair of Bolivians if you can find a pair which is very difficult as sexing this fish when young is next to impossible, so a single Bolivian with again some shoaling fish as afore-mentioned. Or if Apistogramma a male and 1-3 females (depending upon species, some are better in harems, others as a pair) with again shoaling fish. Or a pair of kribs plus some dither fish. In another thread recently, a member had problems with kribs being aggressive during spawning, which they are, and I can't comment more as I have not personally kept them.
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:20 PM   #28
 
Byron, do you have any other suggestions for plants that are easy to maintain for a beginner? I need all kinds still. Foreground, midground, and background. As of right now I have 8 plants. 4 Golden ribbon plants, 3 grassy like plants (I don't know the name), and 1 Anubias.
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:57 PM   #29
 
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Pygmy chain sword should work well in a 20 long. Any of the Cryptocoryne species, we have a couple in the profiles now, more will be added soon as I find time. A single Amazon sword, like to be Echinodorus bleherae, as a centrepiece plant (though not plantedi the centre to avoid looking artificial). Floating plants are appreciated by most fish as it provides a sense of security. Ceratopteris cornuta, or a stem plant like Brazilian Pennywort allowed to float.
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Old 08-11-2010, 03:48 PM   #30
 
Okay. I'll have to look for those at my pet store. Thanks!
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