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Old 05-08-2011, 09:26 PM   #21
 
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Just curious on why all the carbon haters. Is it not the best way to combat ammonia when using HOB's. I'm starting my 55gl tank. and have two millinnum 2000 hob's..It has the plastic media that is designed to catch large debris and create bio but if I just use that and some sort of filter screen, is that enough?.I do water changes weekly and since I use fine sand I can control what the fish leave on top.20% Live plants wood porous rock, pleco,ruby shrimp and heard of Neon's.
Carbon does not remove ammonia as far as I know... the big issue though is its cost and your lucky if it stays active for a week at most. It can do a few things, but the cost vs benefit is very skewed. Though, there is nothing carbon can do that can't be done via some other method, like a water change....
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Old 05-08-2011, 09:35 PM   #22
 
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carbon removes the nutrients that the plant require. Since my tank is planted, i dont want the carbon filter. Also, carbon filter has to be changed too often, but as other have suggested, should be kept in stock for when adding medications or other cases when really necessary, but temporary.
This sadly does not answer my question. If anyuthing I'm getting more annoyed by bad information. If you use plant food suplements and carbon filters should be replaced every 3 to 4 months on average then once again "why not carbon" explain to me what is an alternative to combat ammonia from spikeing.
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Old 05-08-2011, 10:27 PM   #23
 
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Old 05-08-2011, 11:22 PM   #24
 
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This sadly does not answer my question. If anyuthing I'm getting more annoyed by bad information. If you use plant food suplements and carbon filters should be replaced every 3 to 4 months on average then once again "why not carbon" explain to me what is an alternative to combat ammonia from spikeing.
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If your only replacing them every 3 to 4 months carbon is having about nil effect on the tank overall. We already went over the fact that carbon doesn't absorb ammonia. So its not acutally going to stop any ammonia spiking, which should not happen in the first place. All carbon does is absorb a bunch of stuff out of the water, both good and bad stuff till it is saturated then it just sits there being useless. What exactly it absorbs depends on the water and a lot of chemical variables and equilibriums... No tank needs carbon to properly function period. Because of this and given its cost, most people do not use it....
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Old 05-09-2011, 12:29 AM   #25
 
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Hi Everyone,
I am buying a Eheim 2217 for a 75 gallon tank, planted, sand substrate, 6 fancy goldfish, 2 bristlenose pleco, 3 Dojo Loach. Plants will be compatible with the goldies.
Question: Should i use the media that already will come with the Eheim 2217, or should i change it, and to what exactly. I dont know if there is carbon included, if so, i would remove that first. I want something that is both effective to help remove crap from the goldies, can contain bacteria for added help to removing crap, not be bad for the plants, and can be cleaned and used for years not having to change monthly or something (exept maybe the fine filter, but i want to minimize this for the other types)
Pls help me with this task.
The eheim 2217 Comes with all media needed and I would set it up just like the directions or photos on the box indicate Minus the carbon.
Would rinse all of the media that comes with the filter before using.
BIO-MEDIA is important for messy fish like goldfish.
Can avoid ammonia spikes by not overfeeding,not over stocking,and water changes.With enough plant's in the tank and taking care not to do the afore mentioned (over feeding,overstocking) ammonia should be a non issue in a CYCLED tank.
Am doubtful you could add enough plant's to absorb or take in ammonia created by six goldfish (hence the needed Bio- media and cycled tank).
Carbon after a period of time is less effective but does become home for good bacteria like nearly anything placed in the filter sponges,pads,etc.

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Old 05-09-2011, 09:43 AM   #26
 
My apologies..Just a little frustrated.. I have had nothing but success in my current aquarium so I decided to get a larger one and then found this site. Since then I am a little paranoid about imo's over general knowledge. Sounds like carbon is not a big favorite but its been part of my success for years so I will move on with what works..Thanks again!!
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Old 05-09-2011, 11:09 AM   #27
 
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My apologies..Just a little frustrated.. I have had nothing but success in my current aquarium so I decided to get a larger one and then found this site. Since then I am a little paranoid about imo's over general knowledge. Sounds like carbon is not a big favorite but its been part of my success for years so I will move on with what works..Thanks again!!
Hey Skooter,
Activated carbon is effective in absorbing 'impurities' in water, however, so are plants and so carbon competes with plants for some elements in suspension. Also, carbon is somewhat short lived in effectiveness and is probably only really typically effective as a chemical absorbent for a week or so. Carbon is not typically considered a bio-filtration media, however, aerobic bacteria will call carbon home like any other material in a filter - however, it is not as effective at this as other bio-media.
The real issue in upgrading to another tank is the nitrogen cycle process. If you haven't already, read up on the ammonia -> nitrite -> nitrate -> nitrogen process.
Aquariums need time to stabilize to provide enough nitrifying bacteria to handle the bio-load. Otherwise, there is a potential for a catastrophic ammonia spike that may kill your fish. Your best approach wherever possible is to bio-seed the new tank with bacteria from an established tank. This is well documented here and as mentioned, transfer only a few fish at a time. But in order to cycle, you must have a constant supply of ammonia. You might consider stabilizing a new tank with a fishless cycle, but if you do, (just my humble opinion) don't use the stinky dead shrimp method!

Anyway, you can continue to use carbon as/if you like. Folks here are only "down on carbon" because it's counter productive with plants and is very short lived in effectiveness.

Having 'said' the above, depending on your water source, carbon can be a strong ally in achieving and maintaining the best quality aquarium water. If you have your best success using carbon and don't mind the modest expense of replacing it weekly or every other week, don't let anyone here convince you that it's wrong - activated carbon has been successfully used in aquarium water management for over 30 years!
As mountain man Mr. Edwards on Little House said "the trouble with friends is they're all the time trying to give you ADvice."
The opinions of 'experts' here must always be taken with a grain of salt.

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Old 05-09-2011, 12:37 PM   #28
 
Nicely put and two the point!!.. After googling this morning I am going to go carbon free. I used API's Stress zyme + to help jump start the "Cycle". Its been 10mo now and I have not lost anything other than my sacred Bamboo shrimp I crushed wile relocating a rock. :(.. Hoping when I do the switch next week everyone is happy. Not like you can kill a Neon or Pleco.Well I guess you could I just have not :)
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