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Feedback pls: Plant list 55g
Old 11-02-2009, 05:08 PM   #1
 
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Post Feedback pls: Plant list 55g

So I puzzled around some today and came up with 2 slightly different plant lists, any feedback/ suggestions welcome. Dealing with 55 gallon, Hardness of 1 and ph 6.8 here

LIST ONE:
Slide 4 .O {font-size:149%;} Back: 4x Alternanthera Reineckii 3x Vallisneria Astiatica 2x Ecindorus Bleheri 1x Hydocotyle Leucocephyala
Center: 2x Cryptocoryne Undulata 3x Ludwegia Natans 1x Echinodorus Rubin
Front: 4x Echinodorus Tenellus 9x Sagittaria Subulata
4x Hemianthus Micranthemum

LIST TWO:
Slide 5 .O {font-size:149%;} Back: 5x Alternanthera Reineckii 2x Vallisneria Astiatica 2x Ecindorus Bleheri
Center: 2x Cryptocoryne Undulata 4x Ludwegia Natans
Front: 10x Sagittaria Subulata
2x Hemianthus Micranthemum





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Old 11-02-2009, 05:38 PM   #2
 
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On a secondary plant note, I just discovered a concern....
I purchased gravel (river style or something) which I do like because it has various different shades of brown's however the gravel sizes anywhere from 1mm to 5mm.
Previously may tanks always had very fine gravel (about 2-3mm I'd guess) do you think having the mixture of the small and larger gravel will negatively affect my plants?
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:42 PM   #3
 
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On a secondary plant note, I just discovered a concern....
I purchased gravel (river style or something) which I do like because it has various different shades of brown's however the gravel sizes anywhere from 1mm to 5mm.
Previously may tanks always had very fine gravel (about 2-3mm I'd guess) do you think having the mixture of the small and larger gravel will negatively affect my plants?
If you like the look I'd leave it; while smaller grain is better for plant roots and maintenance, what you have is not going to be detrimental if you're regular with your maintenance.

I'll respond to your prior post separately.

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Old 11-03-2009, 02:48 PM   #4
 
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So I puzzled around some today and came up with 2 slightly different plant lists, any feedback/ suggestions welcome. Dealing with 55 gallon, Hardness of 1 and ph 6.8 here

LIST ONE:
Slide 4 .O {font-size:149%;} Back: 4x Alternanthera Reineckii 3x Vallisneria Astiatica 2x Ecindorus Bleheri 1x Hydocotyle Leucocephyala
Center: 2x Cryptocoryne Undulata 3x Ludwegia Natans 1x Echinodorus Rubin
Front: 4x Echinodorus Tenellus 9x Sagittaria Subulata
4x Hemianthus Micranthemum

LIST TWO:
Slide 5 .O {font-size:149%;} Back: 5x Alternanthera Reineckii 2x Vallisneria Astiatica 2x Ecindorus Bleheri
Center: 2x Cryptocoryne Undulata 4x Ludwegia Natans
Front: 10x Sagittaria Subulata
2x Hemianthus Micranthemum




Only difference seems to be in quantity. As list two is presumably less expensive, it will work. All these plants will grow out and fill a 55g in a few months.

Question though on your lighting. A few of these plants need more light than others, so I can comment better if you could tell us the number of tubes, type/name and watts of your light over this tank.

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Old 11-03-2009, 03:23 PM   #5
 
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As for maintenance (water exchange/ plant clipping) I do that once a week - Good enough?

The first list has more different plants in it, while the second has fewer variety but pretty much same amount plants int he end.

I intended to use T8, 15 W it would then be 2 tubes by Hagen, one 2.800K and one 4.200K as I made best experience in the past mixing them.
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Old 11-03-2009, 04:28 PM   #6
 
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As for maintenance (water exchange/ plant clipping) I do that once a week - Good enough?

The first list has more different plants in it, while the second has fewer variety but pretty much same amount plants int he end.

I intended to use T8, 15 W it would then be 2 tubes by Hagen, one 2.800K and one 4.200K as I made best experience in the past mixing them.
Thanks for the info, a few suggestions now.

By maintenance I was referring more to gravel cleaning; the larger the gravel grains the more likely bits of food and stuff will work down into it but regular (weekly) vacuuming of the gravel during the pwc will solve this. And if you have bottom feeders, they sometimes can't get to bits of food in larger gravel. Smaller size is easier to sift through.

On a 55g tank I would aim for approximately 1 watt per gallon with regular fluorescent tubes, less if you go with the newer T5 HO tubes that emit considerably more intense light for less wattage. Two T8 15w tubes (30 watts total) would really be risking it, in my view; the depth of the tank will be greater than what you may have worked with previously with this combination of lights. Plants need light of a certain intensity, and then duration, to properly photosynthesize and grow; providing weaker light for longer periods has been proven to be insufficient; the light must be intense enough, and then the duration can be fiddled with to provide the needed light without algae.

Which brings me to the tubes, I would not recommend these together as they are both higher in the red area and lacking in the blue. Plants need blue and red light (when lighting is being kept to a minimum this is essential), and blue penetrates water considerably more effectively than red or green. Another reason to have blue in the mix.

Studies have shown that a combination of full spectrum and cool blue provides the best plant growth. Full spectrum is around 6500K (sun at midday is 5500K for comparison) so you get a good balance, and these tubes usually have emphasis in the blue and red with green to balance for a natural colour appearance. If you have two tubes, one full spectrum can be combined with one cool blue (the higher the K the more blue emphasis) for a good plant light and natural look. I would use a fixture with twin tubes, T8 will be 40w each, so that's 80 watts over the 55g. On for 9-10 hours a day should work well. Alternatively, a single T5 HO tube (one 48-inch) at 54 watts would provide comparable light, and in this case with one tube I would select a full spectrum. As I mentioned, the T5 outputs much more intense light so the "watt per gallon" rule of thumb is variable with this type of tube.

There are some T8 tubes at 32 watts, they appear to be fine, they are made to emit slightly more light (due to the phosphors inside) so less wattage, an energy savings. Zoo Med make some of these, the Ultra Daylight is a full spectrum.

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Old 11-03-2009, 07:04 PM   #7
 
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If I understand you right, you're saying the one's I got are too weak in combo with he tank size?
Cause that I honestly wouldn't understand the old tanks where 2x as tall as this one is now (but shorter) and I had the same combo and worked wonderful, so I'd not expect it to work less good in a tanks that's shorter?

Considering I have 2 tanks (which I'm only working on 1 right now) how about i'd keep the lights I bought (2.800K and 4.200K) and split them on the 2 tanks and then to each tank add another Hagen with 6.700K. Does that make sense to you?
So one tank had mix of 2.800 - 6.700K 2nd tank has 4.200-6.700K
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Old 11-03-2009, 07:23 PM   #8
 
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If I understand you right, you're saying the one's I got are too weak in combo with he tank size?
Cause that I honestly wouldn't understand the old tanks where 2x as tall as this one is now (but shorter) and I had the same combo and worked wonderful, so I'd not expect it to work less good in a tanks that's shorter?

Considering I have 2 tanks (which I'm only working on 1 right now) how about i'd keep the lights I bought (2.800K and 4.200K) and split them on the 2 tanks and then to each tank add another Hagen with 6.700K. Does that make sense to you?
So one tank had mix of 2.800 - 6.700K 2nd tank has 4.200-6.700K
Just to make sure I don't get all this mixed up (reading so many threads I sometimes do, with my advancing years)...you are setting up a 55g tank which is 4 feet in length. I had one of these years ago, and had one 40w tube over it. I grew lovely swords, some crypts, and floating Ceratopteris. Stem plants never lasted, I assumed due to inadequate light. I now have a 70g which is the same length and depth, but wider front to back. I have two 40w tubes over it. I think a single T5 would be sufficient if I were to change, except I like the option of two tubes to mix types. If I've got your tank size correct, I would move to double T8's or a single T5, either in 48 inches, the choice between the two being your preference.

The 2800K and 4200K tubes are both high in the red, which makes them warm white. I think you need more blue for the plants (blue is the colour plants use most along with red) and it will add a cooler edge to the appearance. You might be surprised at the difference in plant response. Of course, you may prefer warm tanks. That is up to you entirely. I don't know what kind of plants you have had under this light, that can make a difference too. I can only suggest what I know from experience, and full spectrum is unquestionably the most balanced light for a planted aquarium. I did a bit of experimenting with one full spectrum and one warm white (a 4500K) and it was far too "red" for my liking. But it's your aquarium, you should decide. But I would have one full spectrum over any tank along with whatever else you like.

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Old 11-03-2009, 09:05 PM   #9
 
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Yea its 55g with 4ft long.
The hood I got is 2x T8 sized 18" long, so at least the size I will stick with.
So if I bought a 6700K would that then give of the "blue light" you're talking about? Cause I can find no indicator on the package as to what tone of lights these are giving off? There's only names like flora glo, sunlight, life glo etc...
Or do you just buy usual lights at the hardware store with high #K??

And on a side note, I start feeling like its only you & me in this forum ...
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:29 PM   #10
 
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Yea its 55g with 4ft long.
The hood I got is 2x T8 sized 18" long, so at least the size I will stick with.
So if I bought a 6700K would that then give of the "blue light" you're talking about? Cause I can find no indicator on the package as to what tone of lights these are giving off? There's only names like flora glo, sunlight, life glo etc...
Or do you just buy usual lights at the hardware store with high #K??

And on a side note, I start feeling like its only you & me in this forum ...
Don't worry, if we go too far others will step in.

In your present hood fixture, I'll assume the tubes are end to end in one line. Which means that if they are different types, you will have two different colour hues on each side of the aquarium which could be quite distracting; I would find it so. The advantage of two 48" tubes is they are side by side the full length of the tank, so the light is consistent throughout. If you stay with the present fixture, I would definitely recommend two Life-Glo tubes, for two reasons. First, consistency throughout which will eliminate not only a "separation" midtank in appearance but any possibility of plants responding more to one that the other. Second, there are two "Life Glo" types, the Life-Glo and the Life-Glo 2 which is the same type of light but not as intense. With two smaller tubes over this size tank, I would go with the Life-Glo as it is more intense light; I have this on my single-tube 33g tank for this very reason. Here's a photo below of what it looked like (I tore it down last Spring, building something else in this tank).

Full spectrum is equivalent to the sun at midday. The kelvin rating of the sun is approximately 5500K, and tubes within the 5,000K to 8,000K range usually work fine. However, the K is only the colour temperature, nothing to do with how it is arrived at or the intensity. On the side of the packages now (or on the info on websites like DrsFosterSmith, there is a spectrum graph that shows the "highlights" of the tube. For instance, below is the spectrum graph for the Life-Glo tube (on the left), and next to it the graph for the Zoo Med Ultra Sun that you mentioned. Note how the latter is higher (more width) in the red, but much less green to balance. While both tubes are technically full spectrum, there is an noticeable difference in the colour hue over the aquarium. While red is important, so too is blue and a bit moreso because blue happens to be the colour that best penetrates water (which is why corals in marine tanks are grown under the actinic blue lights, etc). Nature worked all this out, we only have to understand it and replicate it for good success.

I do not like nor use nor recommend the tubes like "Flora-Glo" "Aqua-Glo" etc, because they are high in blue and red with very little green, and this creates a purplish hue that I personally find unattractive. And the light intensity is weaker. The Life-Glo has additional phosphors and coatings inside the tube on one half to cause the light to be directed out the other side in greater intensity, which is why I recommend it over the Life-Glo 2 when you have one tube over the tank. I would therefore use two Life-Glo tubes in your present fixture.

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