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Emergency fish in cycle. Need lots of advise please.
Old 03-27-2012, 04:33 PM   #11
 
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Just tested again. All parameters are still good, considering.
ammonia 0
nitrate still 0
nitrite 0
water is soft
kh 120
ph 7.2
Should I still do a water change?
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:31 PM   #12
 
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OK, the ammonia is not showing up yet but it WILL in a few days. pH is not a problem at all at 7.2 but for the cichlids the water is too soft, they require Hard water, now here lies the problem.

The 10g is too small for them as they are active swimmers, long term though something has to be done with them, even the 20g is too small for them long term. I would leave them in the bigger tank as they are pretty hardy, PLEASE NOTE though, I would seriously recommend to perform DAILY water of about 10-20% on the tank, this will help keep ammonia levels low, also the addition of AMQUEL solution will help a lot. There are live plants which will also help a lot, it will not stop the ammonia from coming though as there is not enough live plants.

Amquel you can get from your Local Fish Store or even walmart possibly.

I know this goes against what people recommend, but as you are limited in not being able to take the fish back, then you are going to have to cycle fish in as you mentioned. NOW, as I mentioned performing daily water changes will help a lot as well as your plants, another thing to consider is to only offer one feeding a day and DO NOT OVERFEED, enough that the fish will totally consume in 30 secs to a minute.

If you are going to replace the 20g tank then once you do, get it cycling as soon as you can...The angelfish, BGK and oto should stay in the 10g as they are the more fragile out of the other fish you have. The BGK though grows fast and you will need a bigger tank of 75g+ sooner rather than later for it.

Put the danios in the 49g as they are also hardy and may perhaps survive the cycling process.

The fry should go back into the 5g and the mother into the 10g.

So to sum up:

5g - fry
10g - oto, cory cat, mother guppy.
49g - both cichlids, parrot, danios.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:14 PM   #13
 
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OK, the ammonia is not showing up yet but it WILL in a few days. pH is not a problem at all at 7.2 but for the cichlids the water is too soft, they require Hard water, now here lies the problem.

The 10g is too small for them as they are active swimmers, long term though something has to be done with them, even the 20g is too small for them long term. I would leave them in the bigger tank as they are pretty hardy, PLEASE NOTE though, I would seriously recommend to perform DAILY water of about 10-20% on the tank, this will help keep ammonia levels low, also the addition of AMQUEL solution will help a lot. There are live plants which will also help a lot, it will not stop the ammonia from coming though as there is not enough live plants.

Amquel you can get from your Local Fish Store or even walmart possibly.

I know this goes against what people recommend, but as you are limited in not being able to take the fish back, then you are going to have to cycle fish in as you mentioned. NOW, as I mentioned performing daily water changes will help a lot as well as your plants, another thing to consider is to only offer one feeding a day and DO NOT OVERFEED, enough that the fish will totally consume in 30 secs to a minute.

If you are going to replace the 20g tank then once you do, get it cycling as soon as you can...The angelfish, BGK and oto should stay in the 10g as they are the more fragile out of the other fish you have. The BGK though grows fast and you will need a bigger tank of 75g+ sooner rather than later for it.

Put the danios in the 49g as they are also hardy and may perhaps survive the cycling process.

The fry should go back into the 5g and the mother into the 10g.

So to sum up:

5g - fry
10g - oto, cory cat, mother guppy.
49g - both cichlids, parrot, danios.
Thanks so much! I really appreciate the help!! :)
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:50 PM   #14
 
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Welcome and I really hope everything works out for you.

Keep those water changes going and dont overfeed. If there is anything else then please do not hesitate to message the forum again
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:18 AM   #15
 
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Cycling the 46 gallon is going well, I think. :)
I returned the broken tank for a new one, got some dirty, used gravel from the lfs, and put old filter media in. I checked all the parameters and the insta-cycle on it was a success. 20 nitrates, 0 ammonia, and 0 nitrites. My GKF, angel, and otto are in the established 10 gallon, and the guppy fry are in the 5 gallon established nursery tank. I put my parrots and cory cat in there, and left the cichlids, danios, and guppy (she's much happier with the danios) in the cycling 49 gallon. Parameters on it have gone from 0 nitrates, 0 nitrites, .50 ammonia to 0 nitrates, 1.0 nitrites, and .25 ammonia. I've been doing 30-50% water changes at least everyday. The ph is 7.2-7.8, and I've been having some trouble keeping those down, as they're around that in my tap. Hopefully the tannins from the driftwood keep it down though. I also got a few more plants.

I had a question about media though; I have an old filter pad sitting in the bottom of the tank, but I read somewhere here that I could put the cotton from it into my canister filter. I have the magnum 350 running with just the canister sleeve. I'm still waiting on the new canister so that I can start using carbon in it. Until then I also have a penguin running ( the old pad is too small for it). How do I put the old filter media into the canister. I don't want to break the magnum?

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Old 04-04-2012, 11:35 AM   #16
 
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Well, you're getting the advice you need.

I'm going to chime in on a couple of things not mentioned yet though.

1) The Black Ghost Knife. This fish is what they call a "Tankbuster" because they get so large. You are going to need a 10 foot tank. That wasn't a typo. Byron posted an article about this particular fish a few weeks ago and it stuck out in my mind because a 10 foot tank is HUGE. Here is the article he linked, and the pertinent quote is given below. Predators: The knifefishes | Features | Practical Fishkeeping

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Tank size should be chosen according to the size of species kept. For the common Black ghost (Apteronotus albifrons), a fish that can reach 50cm/20”, an aquarium of around 3m/10’ should be considered for a fully grown adult.
2) Angelfish are a shoaling fish which means you need more than 1. The absolute minimum is 4, but would go with 5 as a minimum. You need a 55+ gallon aquarium for them. It's possible to keep just two, but they must be a mated pair (you would have to acquire them as a pair, can't just expect any male and female to form a pair.). These guys get large too but not nearly as large as the BGK, 6" in length and even more in height. Fish should be purchased at the same time to reduce aggression issues. Read the profile for Scalare Angelfish to learn more.

Now for the chastising part of my post. Is there a particular reason you bought these fish now, before the tank was cycled, and knowing you would need a larger one eventually? None of those fish are rare, they have been, and will be, available in stores for years to come.

I know there is always the temptation to get your fish right away, waiting the 4-8 weeks is a long time, but keep in mind that these are living creatures. They depend on us to take care of them, and once bought the fate of their lives become our responsibility. We all make mistakes out of ignorance, I certainly have when I started in the hobby and probably still do, but I hope you take this as an opportunity to learn from the mistake so you don't make it again and can advise future people who enter the hobby.

I would strongly recommend that you find a local fish store that will take the BGK unless you seriously see yourself getting a 10 foot tank within half a year. A tank that size is not standard, it would have to be custom built ($$$$). A local store might take it because it is still small. You won't get your money back, but perhaps it will find a person who has the capability of meeting its needs, unfortunately most do not.
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:34 PM   #17
 
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Well, you're getting the advice you need.

I'm going to chime in on a couple of things not mentioned yet though.

1) The Black Ghost Knife. This fish is what they call a "Tankbuster" because they get so large. You are going to need a 10 foot tank. That wasn't a typo. Byron posted an article about this particular fish a few weeks ago and it stuck out in my mind because a 10 foot tank is HUGE. Here is the article he linked, and the pertinent quote is given below. Predators: The knifefishes | Features | Practical Fishkeeping



2) Angelfish are a shoaling fish which means you need more than 1. The absolute minimum is 4, but would go with 5 as a minimum. You need a 55+ gallon aquarium for them. It's possible to keep just two, but they must be a mated pair (you would have to acquire them as a pair, can't just expect any male and female to form a pair.). These guys get large too but not nearly as large as the BGK, 6" in length and even more in height. Fish should be purchased at the same time to reduce aggression issues. Read the profile for Scalare Angelfish to learn more.

Now for the chastising part of my post. Is there a particular reason you bought these fish now, before the tank was cycled, and knowing you would need a larger one eventually? None of those fish are rare, they have been, and will be, available in stores for years to come.

I know there is always the temptation to get your fish right away, waiting the 4-8 weeks is a long time, but keep in mind that these are living creatures. They depend on us to take care of them, and once bought the fate of their lives become our responsibility. We all make mistakes out of ignorance, I certainly have when I started in the hobby and probably still do, but I hope you take this as an opportunity to learn from the mistake so you don't make it again and can advise future people who enter the hobby.

I would strongly recommend that you find a local fish store that will take the BGK unless you seriously see yourself getting a 10 foot tank within half a year. A tank that size is not standard, it would have to be custom built ($$$$). A local store might take it because it is still small. You won't get your money back, but perhaps it will find a person who has the capability of meeting its needs, unfortunately most do not.
I love to make things and my bf works at Lowe's, so we've been looking into building a tank. We need to get glass from a local crew, but everything else is ready for us. We need to get a bit at a time. As for buying the fish, I didn't know I needed to wait that long to put them in and besides Wally World there is no place here to buy fish. I didn't know anything about cycling when I bought my koi years ago, so I didn't think twice before I started buying tropical fish. I guess he was just tough, though.I bought the fishies on impulse because I happened to be in a town with a petsmart. Trust me, I learned my lesson. After reading all I could about cycling here, I've been obsessed with keeping my parameters and little buddies healthy. It's driving my bf crazy, but he knows how much I love them. I found this place in a yahoo search about guppies. I couldn't figure out why they kept keeling over on me. I've learned a lot here so far, and I'm looking forward to learning more every day. :)

BTW, I read here that angels are good either being the only angel in the tank, or in groups. Is that not correct?
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:59 PM   #18
 
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BTW, I read here that angels are good either being the only angel in the tank, or in groups. Is that not correct?
The answer to this is in the profile, click on Scalare Angelfish. We have profiles on most fish that one sees in stores, and the info on numbers, water, tank sizes is trustworthy.

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Old 04-11-2012, 10:30 AM   #19
 
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At two weeks my tank looks to be cycled. Ammonia 0, nitrites 0. Unfortunately, I lost my danios to what looked like fin rot, and one had a red thread like parasite on his face, possibly brought on by stress from high ph.?? It tests at 8. Whatever it was, the cichlids were unaffected. I believe it was the dead live rock that raised the ph. I removed it last night so that my knife can eventually be moved over, and the cichlids into their own tank. The lady who owns the LFS suggested that I cut the water changes back since the ph in my tap is in the 7 range.
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Old 04-11-2012, 10:33 AM   #20
 
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