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Old 07-03-2012, 06:00 AM   #11
 
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Like jaysee said its all in the prospective of each person. It could work but it would be tight.
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:40 PM   #12
 
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How many Red Coral penfil fish could I put in a 20 gallon?
Just seeing your opinion, I probably will change my mind . . . again. What do you think would be a good stand out fish in a planted aquarium, 25 gallons with a Aquaclear 20.
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Old 07-04-2012, 05:48 AM   #13
 
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Just curious - what qualifies you to be handing out stocking advice?
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How many Red Coral penfil fish could I put in a 20 gallon?
Just seeing your opinion, I probably will change my mind . . . again. What do you think would be a good stand out fish in a planted aquarium, 25 gallons with a Aquaclear 20.
Why you hatin?

I have heard behind every successful person there lies a pack of haters. You are my haters. I am a successful person.

Pearl,

What are the water perimeters? On both tanks. Filter on the 20? What plants, fish, or inverts in both?

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Old 07-04-2012, 06:06 AM   #14
 
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Success is subjective. If you are going to advertise yourself like that, people are going to want to see proof. Like I said, stocking is an art, and if I went to an artist to commission a painting, I am certainly going to want to see examples of their work first - or I would go to someone whose art I am familiar with.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:18 AM   #15
 
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Why you hatin?

I have heard behind every successful person there lies a pack of haters. You are my haters. I am a successful person.

Pearl,

What are the water perimeters? On both tanks. Filter on the 20? What plants, fish, or inverts in both?

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Jaysee and the other more experienced members are not 'hatin'. They, and I, want to know what experience you have. You said yourself that your experience is from reading books. The big wigs on this forum have countless years dealing with aquariums. Reading books is a great way for beginners to learn, I learn this way also. But it cant beat years and years of real life experience. No disrespect intended.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:56 AM   #16
 
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The tone of this conversation is becoming some what "heated", please refrain from singling out members with comments that are disrespectful.

Reading is an excellent way to start gaining knowledge but hands on experience is what counts more than anything. Think of it this way, I would never read a book on high voltage electrical supply installation and then feel I have enough confidence to work on it...chances are it would kill me. (I happen to be a qualified electrician - so can actually work on them...)

The knowledge gained is from seeing fish interactions, knowing how to stock appropriate to available local water parameters without messing with the tank chemistry too much. Trail and error to some degree...
In an emergency situation once, I was forced to keep a fully grown Oscar in a tank with some 6 month old fry...I had no option as the Oscar tank split a seam and needed an immediate reseal..expecting to see the tank empty of fry, I actually saw the Oscar cowering at the great attention 50 fry were giving it...5 days it took to properly reseal the tank, I did it too fast and had to start over. 5 days of a 13" Oscar in with tiny fry...NOT ONE SINGLE death of the fry. 3 years later, Oscar was still living with those same fish...I tried it and it worked. I would not recommend that to anyone but it worked for me.

Point being, you can read a ton of articles explaining that I should have had no fry left and one very happy Oscar with a large free meal...wasnt the case in real life. There are far too many variable to be able to offer wholehearted advice without the knowledge of the fish in question.

Cichlids for example, you can actually have 2 male Auratus in a small tank if the tank is decorated right and with a lot of line of sight breaks. 55g tank with 2 Male Auratus is like creating a mini war zone if the tank is not decorated well. It is not advisable to try this, but with giving a lot of line of sight breaks, ample hiding places and territory it can work.

When I first stocked my 180g tank, I followed a stock list identical to a moderator on another forum..it didnt work for me, there was a lot of aggression, the tank was identical in terms of stock list and only thing different was the way the tank was arranged with decorations. It was the close watching of the interactions of the fish and making changes sometimes quickly.

Take for example, would it be advisable when stocking an all male tank of African Haps/Peacocks to have another tank or several on standby to remove fish to in an emergency, how many fish would you keep in a removal tank and what would be the minimum size tank needed for this.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:59 AM   #17
 
Stocking requires science, art, and experience. The #1 major flaw I see in this thread is so far not a single question about the one keeping the tank and the amount of maintenance they are willing to do. You can stock a tank in every sort of manner that should for all intents and purposes work, but if the owner is not going to do 50% or 70% water changes to manage a heavily stocked African tank that tank will not work out in the end.

I personally avoid stocking threads or giving out stocking advice unless it is asked in this site's chat. I need answers to about a dozen questions before we even get to fish types. Typical stocking thread only gives answers to half of them sometimes less and I CBA to ask the questions.

The stocking advice you gave to Termato I would say would not work. I don't know african cichlids though, a cichlid tank is a wasted tank IMO . Taz gave some good reasons though. Another is I know Termato has significant nitrate in his tap. The stocking you suggested will probably need 80% water changes weekly and nitrates still probably going to be pushing 50 with that stocking.

I personally stock planted communities or just regular non-planted communities and in general tanks with a high nutrient demand. And how I stock is not the same as what I suggest on the forum.

@pearl2011 - probably more then you want to buy considering the cost on coral reds. I would suggest the golden pencilfish, though most its online pics look like crap my males are very red and great little fish. They look pale in shops as well, like most pencilfish they need a quiet densely planted tank to show anything close to their proper colors.
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Old 07-04-2012, 01:15 PM   #18
 
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Typo, it is a 25 gallon, not 20 :)

pH is about 7 (it goes up after the filter is turned on, at least in my 10 it does) and the GH is 75. 0 idea what that means.
I haven't even set it up yet (making the stand ATM) so I am still planning. I just need to write it down on paper and rule them out one by one . . .
How tight do rummy nose, neon tetras and cardinal tetras school? What is an algae eater I could keep with them?
I NEED TO MAKE UP MY MIND!!
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:14 PM   #19
 
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The tone of this conversation is becoming some what "heated", please refrain from singling out members with comments that are disrespectful.

Reading is an excellent way to start gaining knowledge but hands on experience is what counts more than anything. Think of it this way, I would never read a book on high voltage electrical supply installation and then feel I have enough confidence to work on it...chances are it would kill me. (I happen to be a qualified electrician - so can actually work on them...)

The knowledge gained is from seeing fish interactions, knowing how to stock appropriate to available local water parameters without messing with the tank chemistry too much. Trail and error to some degree...
In an emergency situation once, I was forced to keep a fully grown Oscar in a tank with some 6 month old fry...I had no option as the Oscar tank split a seam and needed an immediate reseal..expecting to see the tank empty of fry, I actually saw the Oscar cowering at the great attention 50 fry were giving it...5 days it took to properly reseal the tank, I did it too fast and had to start over. 5 days of a 13" Oscar in with tiny fry...NOT ONE SINGLE death of the fry. 3 years later, Oscar was still living with those same fish...I tried it and it worked. I would not recommend that to anyone but it worked for me.

Point being, you can read a ton of articles explaining that I should have had no fry left and one very happy Oscar with a large free meal...wasnt the case in real life. There are far too many variable to be able to offer wholehearted advice without the knowledge of the fish in question.

Cichlids for example, you can actually have 2 male Auratus in a small tank if the tank is decorated right and with a lot of line of sight breaks. 55g tank with 2 Male Auratus is like creating a mini war zone if the tank is not decorated well. It is not advisable to try this, but with giving a lot of line of sight breaks, ample hiding places and territory it can work.

When I first stocked my 180g tank, I followed a stock list identical to a moderator on another forum..it didnt work for me, there was a lot of aggression, the tank was identical in terms of stock list and only thing different was the way the tank was arranged with decorations. It was the close watching of the interactions of the fish and making changes sometimes quickly.

Take for example, would it be advisable when stocking an all male tank of African Haps/Peacocks to have another tank or several on standby to remove fish to in an emergency, how many fish would you keep in a removal tank and what would be the minimum size tank needed for this.
Thank you for pointing the heated conversation... lets all take 2-3 days and not post on the thread to cool our heads and come back posting having some time to think. People who havent posted on here and tazman can still post on here.
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Old 07-04-2012, 07:19 PM   #20
 
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Jaysee and the other more experienced members are not 'hatin'. They, and I, want to know what experience you have. You said yourself that your experience is from reading books. The big wigs on this forum have countless years dealing with aquariums. Reading books is a great way for beginners to learn, I learn this way also. But it cant beat years and years of real life experience. No disrespect intended.
I have also talked to aquarium experts who have helped me feel confertable to give out info.

I get it I might be giving out some wrong info but please tell me respectfully and I can do some more research and talk to people to help fix the info.

You gave no disrespect and are helping me to cool off. I won`t be posting on this thread for a couple days but you can pm me and I will respond.

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