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post #11 of 17 Old 04-24-2012, 09:39 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks guys.

Geo I don't have a test kit for those. So half and half would be okay? That would be easier.
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post #12 of 17 Old 04-24-2012, 10:19 AM
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I would call your water supply utility, or see if they have a website with the water quality report. They will get you the most accurate number as they have the equipment to test it fairly precisely.

Otherwise, you can take a sample of tap water to Petsmart or Petco (possibly a LFS) to get it tested for free, they will use a strip test though that will only give you a general range for hardness. If you have a local fish/pet store that's on the same water supply you could just call them and ask, they should know.
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post #13 of 17 Old 04-24-2012, 10:26 AM
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Agree, you need to find out the GH and KH (alkalinity) of your tap water, either from the water supply people (safest) or with a test by a reputable store. If the latter, make sure you ask them for the numbers; for our purpose here, "hard" or "soft" will mean nothing.

Once we know the GH and KH, we willknow what the pH is likely to do in the aquarium over time. This article explains the connection:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...quarium-73276/

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post #14 of 17 Old 04-26-2012, 05:04 PM
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Same thing happened to me in my 40 gallon a week ago. I thought I rinsed it out good enough but I didn't. I Used 5 gallon bucket to dump water down the tub re-filled and it was clear. GL
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post #15 of 17 Old 04-26-2012, 05:32 PM
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Not all play sand is equal. I just found this out the hard way a week ago.
I bought a bag of sand at the Depot. Listed on the front was play sand. After giving it a good rinse, I dumped it in a 29gl tank and filled it. Had the cloud, it didnt settle. Broke out the Python and still couldnt get it clear. There was a white haze on everything. Drained it out, broke out the shop vac and sucked it all out and dumped it. Refilled and drained the tank 2 more times. Bought a bag a pool filter sand...problem solved.
I will never use play sand again. You never know whats in the bag or where it came from. Just because the bag says Sakrete play sand, it's doubtfull its the same sand from the same sand pit that others are useing on this forum. Im sure Sakrete gets its materials from multiple locations across the country.
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post #16 of 17 Old 04-26-2012, 07:02 PM
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Heh.. I just converted my 80g and my 60g from gravel to sand. The 80g I filled using cheap sand from home hardware, as there was nothing else available in town and I didn't realize the better stuff wouldn't be out for a couple more weeks.

After putting some sand in a 5g bucket and rinsing throughly( about an hour per bucket) reapeating until all 120lbs were cleaned I put it in my tank. Filled the tank up and left it thinking it would clear overnight. We put a couple small HOB filters in with some filter wool to help just in case. The next morning it hadn't changed a bit so we did a 50% water change(we used pure cold tap water for convenience as we already had a suspicion at this point it would take a couple days) and left it until the next day. Same thing for the next week, changing the filter wool about 6 times daily. On day 8( I think it was, maybe 9) it was finally clear woohoo. So we filled it up with proper temperature water and it turned as dirty as ever. Warmer water absorbs more particles I cant even remember how much water we changed that day or the next... spent several hours each day filling the tank to half then emptying it again disturbing the sand as much as possible to get all the fine particles we could. I'm sure we did at least 500g a day for those last 2 days. At last it was clear(Aside from the gas bubbles, which left the tank almost a milky white) and the sand could be disturbed and it would resettle in seconds, even in the hottest tap water possible.

For the 60g, there was more selection for sand at this point and we picked up Sakrete fine sterilized playsand.We only had to rinse this in the buckets for 10-15 minutes before it appeared clear and then once in the tank we did a 50% change the day after and I think it was 250% the day after that and it was all cleared up.

Many recommend pool filter sand but I have eels now in the 80 and loaches in the 55 so I was concerned about how sharp the pool filter sand might be. It apparently is much easier to clean then playsand. Also actual aquarium sand is good as well but it does cost a fair bit more.
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Heh.. I just converted my 80g and my 60g from gravel to sand. The 80g I filled using cheap sand from home hardware, as there was nothing else available in town and I didn't realize the better stuff wouldn't be out for a couple more weeks.

After putting some sand in a 5g bucket and rinsing throughly( about an hour per bucket) reapeating until all 120lbs were cleaned I put it in my tank. Filled the tank up and left it thinking it would clear overnight. We put a couple small HOB filters in with some filter wool to help just in case. The next morning it hadn't changed a bit so we did a 50% water change(we used pure cold tap water for convenience as we already had a suspicion at this point it would take a couple days) and left it until the next day. Same thing for the next week, changing the filter wool about 6 times daily. On day 8( I think it was, maybe 9) it was finally clear woohoo. So we filled it up with proper temperature water and it turned as dirty as ever. Warmer water absorbs more particles I cant even remember how much water we changed that day or the next... spent several hours each day filling the tank to half then emptying it again disturbing the sand as much as possible to get all the fine particles we could. I'm sure we did at least 500g a day for those last 2 days. At last it was clear(Aside from the gas bubbles, which left the tank almost a milky white) and the sand could be disturbed and it would resettle in seconds, even in the hottest tap water possible.
Oh man. That does not give me hope.
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