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post #1 of 9 Old 04-01-2012, 10:49 AM Thread Starter
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Angry Disgusted by a LFS

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Today I went to a LFS (not my usual LFS I must stress!!!) but one that is a part of a "garden and leisure" centre. I have been there before and always felt like I wouldn't want to buy any fish from there as the tanks look a bit dirty etc and uncared for.

But today I noticed that of the 50 or so maybe more? Tanks they have only a few of them had any substrate in them. Only a very few had Any sort of ornament or thing of interest for the fish etc. correct me if I am wrong but isn't that a bit cruel keeping those poor fish like that? I know for some this is only a Temporary home but surely not all of those fish will be bought by customers. So they could spend their entire existence being totally stressed in a baron environment until they finally die.

Talking of dyimg I saw a beautiful clown loach keeled over on the bottom of one baron tank and another clown was eating him.... Very sad.

Surely there certain standards these animal suppliers must abide by? Or is this practice commonplace? I am fairly new to the hobby and the more I learn about fish and their tolorences to their environment it breaks my heart to see these beautiful animals suffering, which they undoubtably are......
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Felt like I needed to share,

Today I went to a LFS (not my usual LFS I must stress!!!) but one that is a part of a "garden and leisure" centre. I have been there before and always felt like I wouldn't want to buy any fish from there as the tanks look a bit dirty etc and uncared for.

But today I noticed that of the 50 or so maybe more? Tanks they have only a few of them had any substrate in them. Only a very few had Any sort of ornament or thing of interest for the fish etc. correct me if I am wrong but isn't that a bit cruel keeping those poor fish like that? I know for some this is only a Temporary home but surely not all of those fish will be bought by customers. So they could spend their entire existence being totally stressed in a baron environment until they finally die.

Talking of dyimg I saw a beautiful clown loach keeled over on the bottom of one baron tank and another clown was eating him.... Very sad.

Surely there certain standards these animal suppliers must abide by? Or is this practice commonplace? I am fairly new to the hobby and the more I learn about fish and their tolorences to their environment it breaks my heart to see these beautiful animals suffering, which they undoubtably are......
There are certain boards that give licenses to sell pets, and you can ask your city, who you can contact to complain. The other is to complain to the store manager/owner. They may change if they hear from customers that are angry at the level of care given to live species. In my town, we have a terrible fish/pet store here, that one day I believe will get closed down, or go out of business, but it does take people to complain.

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Sorry, I'm still new to this forum. I know you're talking about a pet shop, but what does LFS stand for?
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Hey CatSoup! LFS usually means Local Fish Store. In the same manner LPS can also mean Local Pet Store. We usually use these to refer to small mom-and-pop type stores or very small chains as opposed to the large chain pet stores like Petsmart, Petco, Petland, ect.

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with that store, Simon, but Gwen is right. Talk to a manger or the owner. This is a hobby that for the most part polices itself. Sometimes local ASPCA's will do something about it, but even a lot of animal welfare groups are iffy about stepping in for the fish because they don't understand fishkeeping.

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Hey CatSoup! LFS usually means Local Fish Store. In the same manner LPS can also mean Local Pet Store. We usually use these to refer to small mom-and-pop type stores or very small chains as opposed to the large chain pet stores like Petsmart, Petco, Petland, ect.

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with that store, Simon, but Gwen is right. Talk to a manger or the owner. This is a hobby that for the most part polices itself. Sometimes local ASPCA's will do something about it, but even a lot of animal welfare groups are iffy about stepping in for the fish because they don't understand fishkeeping.
Yes sorry local fish store, although this place is a huge store with garden stuff, clothes, crafts and hobbies etc. also a pet section and this is where the fish are.

I could have complained to the manager for all the good it would do, but my kind of question was about the lack of substrate in the tanks, and especially in tanks housing Corys and loaches in particular where their main pastime is snouting around in the substrate. There was like 30 corys just huddled together in a bare tank with no sand or gravel or anywhere to hide. They must be super stressed.

So my question is.... Is it common practice for pet stores to house fish this way? Because where I buy my stuff from normally do not do this, although there is always going to be a level of stress involved for the fish housed there.

Just felt sad for the poor fish at this particular place today...
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I have some of the very best fish stores where I live--and some I won't set foot in. But only considering the good stores, there are those who have some decor in the tanks, and those that have none. Both are acceptable, but both can be abused too.

Catching fish in a tank with any decor can be very difficult; not only does this waste time, but chasing fish around is more and more stressful on the fish (as well as the employee) and may cause the fish damage in several ways. So the bare tank avoids this, and catching fish is quick and usually easy, as they can readily be cornered with two nets or a net and a hand.

When one considers what most fish have gone through from capture in the wild to transport and finally the store, it is miraculous that any even survive. A bare tank that is well maintained--water parameters, quality, low light--is probably less stressful than one might imagine. Light is extremely important here; my local professional importer and breeder maintains bare tanks but they have no lights; the ambient room light is it, and this makes a big difference to the fish.

There are some organizations attempting to introduce legislation in some countries to monitor fish similar to what exists (in some places) with mammal pets. Legislators often go overboard unfortunately, so this may end up being worse rather than beneficial.

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I personally have no issues with bare tanks. I use to keep them at one point. For raising fry I still do setup bare tanks. Most fish are not bothered by them.

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Hmmm interesting spin on things! But it definitely answers my question as to why there might not be any decor/gravel etc. it makes sense, all that considerd though I just have a bad feeling about that place and will not be buying any fish from there. I know people that have and have had them die shortly after acquiring them.

I just hate the thought of any animal suffering, and this played on my mind ALOT when I was thinking of getting into the hobby. But someone keeping fish with an interest in their welfare, putting the time in to keep the water and tank clean and enjoying watching their behaviours, is gotta be a better option for the fish who have no choice about being bought and sold by reputable and non reputable LFS's... So this eases my mind!

I'll probably be in pieces when I find my first casualty! Hopefully it won't be for a long time..
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post #9 of 9 Old 04-01-2012, 08:47 PM
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Thanks for the explanation guys. I'm kinda sappy and the first thing I thought was "local Friend store" (animals=friends lol).
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