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Old 09-16-2009, 03:00 PM   #11
 
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Old 09-17-2009, 01:26 AM   #12
 
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[quote=Ramenuzumaki;244190]as for live plants, would a Marimo Algae Ball do ANYTHING at all? i have one in my five gallon tank and was thinking wondering if it was even worth keeping in there because its so big. Its about the size of a tennis ball. If it will help my tank a little with my high ammonia and nitrite levels with my daily water changes then ill leave it in there. also! i was wondering about Nutrafin Freshwater Aquarium salt. it doesnt say how often to use it, and im sort of confused what exactly it does. it says to use one level tablespoon for every 5 gal of water, but it doesnt say how often to do it. I've been doing it with my water changes. lately theyve been big [50-60%] because my ammonia and nitrite are high. nitrite was 2 [ick] when i checked two days ago and my ammonia i dunno i think he used the wrong card to compare it to because it was green and the card had yellow bars on it.[/quot

Moss ball or algae ball won't hurt anything so long as it's not decaying.
Aquarium salt will help detoxify Nitrites in poorly filtered or overstocked tanks such as tanks seen at petco,pet smart,walmart etc. But salt is not needed if using a full function water conditioner such as PRIME or AMQUEL+ and salt can be deadly to some species of freshwater fish. In my view,it''s helpful when treating fish in quarantine for some parasites ,but otherwise,,not needed in freshwater aquariums. Epsom salts and or Marine salt have their own applications ,and are wholly different from Aquarium salt.In my view, Aquarium salt is largely a waste of money and other than use for treatment as mentioned above,, Has no place in my freshwater tanks.
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Old 09-17-2009, 01:41 AM   #13
 
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Hi again Everyone...
I have only posted like 2 times.. lol
Here is something I have been looking for.... and you all
might be able to help out with this one...
I have a 75 gallon been doing great now for 5 mths.. got alot a live plants
here is my question.
Can a person take the filter out of lets say the 75 gallon take it right off the back.... and then set it
on the back of a NEW 120 Gallon.. to JUMP START the cycling process?

I have heard of taking the Bio Wheels and changing them out for the new ones. to help
jump start the Cycling process....

but what about just taking the entire Emperor 400 off of the 75 gallon thats established and putting it on the NEW 120 gallon tank.?????

Please any ideas and thoughts on this one.

I have been getting my 120 gallon set up... I have a brand new Emperor 400 Should I just change out the Bio Wheels or the entire filter system?

OK I HAVE YET ANOTHER QUESTION.... same fiter Emperor 400 I read an article on how a person put in the grey cartridges some MATRIX ROCK... and added a air line
PLEASE tell me if anyone can as to what the beneffit to this was? The article reads
OPTIMIZE an already GREAT FILTER..... but it never stated as to why it was better that way ???
THANKS........
Ron
If your not going to keep fish in the 75 gal then removing the filter entirely from the 75 gal won't be an issue and will be of significant help in establishing the 120 gal.
If fish are to remain in the 75 gal and only one filter is serving the 75 gal,, I would switch one of the biowheels from the 75 and replace it with new biowheel from your new filter. I might also use some of the gravel if possible from the 75 gal. I would scoop up a cup full of gravel from the 75 gal and place it in the toe section of a pair of nylons. then tie the nylon shut and either place the nylon full of gravel in the filter compartment of the new filter or push it down into the gravel of the new tank. I would leave this in place for a minimum of Two weeks. When it came time to move fish,, I would move them a few at a time while keeping an eye on water parameters with test kit.
I too remember reading somewhere about the airline tubing and the grey media cartridges from the Emperor filters. In my view,, it makes things more complicated than they need to be. I simply use the grey clam shells that come with the Emperor filters for additional biological meadia such as ,ceramic beads or noodles,or Eheim Substrat pro or carbon if you like. You can take a sharp pair of side cutters and remove the fins,or tabs from one side of the grey clamshell and this will allow more room for the media of your choice. You can also elect to use as I have,, The SUPER CARTRIDGE by Magnavore found at www.DrsFosterSmith.com or by contacting Magnavore . I Remove the carbon pads that come with these and simply fill them with the afore mentioned bio media or filter floss. Saved a ton of money in not having to replace cartridges EVER.

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Old 09-17-2009, 04:50 AM   #14
 
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If your not going to keep fish in the 75 gal then removing the filter entirely from the 75 gal won't be an issue and will be of significant help in establishing the 120 gal.
If fish are to remain in the 75 gal and only one filter is serving the 75 gal,, I would switch one of the biowheels from the 75 and replace it with new biowheel from your new filter. I might also use some of the gravel if possible from the 75 gal. I would scoop up a cup full of gravel from the 75 gal and place it in the toe section of a pair of nylons. then tie the nylon shut and either place the nylon full of gravel in the filter compartment of the new filter or push it down into the gravel of the new tank. I would leave this in place for a minimum of Two weeks. When it came time to move fish,, I would move them a few at a time while keeping an eye on water parameters with test kit.
I too remember reading somewhere about the airline tubing and the grey media cartridges from the Emperor filters. In my view,, it makes things more complicated than they need to be. I simply use the grey clam shells that come with the Emperor filters for additional biological meadia such as ,ceramic beads or noodles,or Eheim Substrat pro or carbon if you like. You can take a sharp pair of side cutters and remove the fins,or tabs from one side of the grey clamshell and this will allow more room for the media of your choice. You can also elect to use as I have,, The SUPER CARTRIDGE by Magnavore found at www.DrsFosterSmith.com or by contacting Magnavore . I Remove the carbon pads that come with these and simply fill them with the afore mentioned bio media or filter floss. Saved a ton of money in not having to replace cartridges EVER.
I prolly failed to mention that I have 2 filters in the 75 gallon tank. both established.... one being a 350 marinland and the other the 400 marinland

My thought was to take the new 400 and hang it on the back of the 75, and then take the Older established 400 and install it on the new 120 to jump start the cycle process.....
I called the local FS yesturday.. they claim they have a product that they keep refrigirated and they garrente that you can put up to 70% of fish in the tank on day 3.... they claim its some bacteria to get the tank started... ????? any thoughts as to what this is have any one heard of such a thing?
I also was thinking about using LATERITE for the substrate along with the gravel I have already purchased both of my other tanks have live plants in them with no LATERITE and the plants are thriving...
any other thoughts ....
thanks
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Old 09-17-2009, 05:29 AM   #15
 
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Ahh yes, Moving the filter to the new tank would be good thing considering you have two on the 75 gal. You could then safely add a few of the fish from the 75 gal. wait a week, and then add a few more. Others have moved whole tanks of fish at once with no problems but personally, I prefer to do things gradually. As another member's signature states,,, " the only things that happen quickly in an aquarium, are bad things"
I have heard of a product called "Bio Spira" that is kept refrigerated and is supposed to work well but have not used it so cannot comment on it's effectiveness. I would think in your case, with the live bacteria you will be adding in the way of the established filter from the 75 gal,, the product would be unnecessary and perhaps hard to tell how effective it was or wasn't.
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Old 09-17-2009, 07:35 AM   #16
 
Very interesting

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I am now curious as to what the name of the bacteria they have for sale is....
So I will call them again today and see what the name is .....
I just thought if someone has used such a product and it worked for them...
then I could possible prosper from the use of the product as well as with the established filter
from the 75 gallon.

Thanks
Ron
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Old 09-17-2009, 01:48 PM   #17
 
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Byron stands by Seachem's "Stability" im pretty sure he said it introduces bacteria into the aquarium immediately. its a bottle filled with bacteria.
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Old 09-17-2009, 02:34 PM   #18
 
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There are several "cycling" products available. Some have scientific evidence that they are 100% bacteria. Dr. Timothy Hovanec developed this process a few years ago, and he has a line of products although I can't remember the name. Another that is said to be the same is Bio-Spira that comes frozen and is guaranteed for "x" months. I've never used this because I live in Canada and the customs will not let it across the border because it is frozen bacteria.

Seachem makes "Stability" which they state is 100% bacteria. I've no proof of this. I have used it recently when I set up my 115g, 90g and 70g tanks. I also have plants in the tanks, and I transferred wood (containing bacteria obviously) from existing tanks. I set these tanks up in one day each, and moved the fish into them the same day. I had no fish losses, and no sign of stress aside from the obvious displeasure of being netted from one tank to another. I have read the reports on Seachem's website and I am of the opinion that it probably does what it claims. It certainly had no detrimental effect on my 200+ fish.

I would recommend its use for new tanks, but I would also recommend introducing as few fish as possible and taking time between introductions, particularly if buying the fish from a store; I believe the added stress on store fish compared to fish one moves from one tank to another (water parameters being equal) may be significant. If the tank is fairly heavily planted, it will cycle in one day with the plants if fish are introduced. Diana Walstad has written of this, and I have done it. I use Stability as a sort of back-up, though perhaps unnecessarily in a planted tank.

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Old 09-17-2009, 02:43 PM   #19
 
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Thats the name ... Acleis or spelled something like that..
but its DR. Tims products.....
I just called like 5 min ago.. its expensive 29.00 and I would need 2
I dont know if thats forth it .....
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