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post #11 of 46 Old 09-26-2013, 08:26 AM
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Pops, are you going to cycle for knowledge? Because otherwise, you can just transfer media from an already established tank.

Willow can do that too, but it's tricky using seeded media from a smaller tank to start a bigger tank. You have to stock slowly. I would only start with a few fish in a 100 gallon. There is more flexibility with a larger tank - creates a buffer of sorts in the beginning. So long as you don't proportionately stock the tank (I put one fish in a 10, so ill put 10 fish in a 100), the extra volume will keep the water quality from slipping too much. You should be ready for more fish by the time the new fish are through quarantine.
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post #12 of 46 Old 09-26-2013, 04:39 PM
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ok now...i've been here forever....like an old chair...and i should
know better..however...i'm still going to ask don't talk about me
.....i'm getting old....and i forget things....
i need to cycle this huge glass box in my living room Juwel rio 300
and i'm thinking of using fish food,bumping up the temperature,not
too much though as i have some plants coming....now i know it won't be
a pinch...like my diddy little tank....but how much should i do ?
Just in case it hasn't been said: heavily plant it and add fish slowly.

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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #13 of 46 Old 09-26-2013, 05:20 PM
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Pop-Just to add to what Jaysee and Boredomb said, transferring media will definitely speed things up. So people will still do a fishless cycle with established media. Really no right or wrong answer. To be honest with you if you're just do lots of stems and snails I'd just do established media at the most. Anything else could be done, but it's basically overkill for that stocking.

The ammonia needed for a fishless cycle isn't harmful to plants (aside from Crypts cause they would melt for sure). There is a bit of a catch though. The ammonia itself isn't harmful, however the huge bacteria colony you're building up will use the KH. If you have a high KH to start that's not really a problem. If you have a low one like I do then you have to really stay on top of things to prevent your pH from plummeting. That's what will kill plants.

Willow- The plant stuff above will apply too since you have some coming. Jaysee's and beaslbob's mentioned methods are probably best. Fishless is great if it's a first tank and you want a large initial stocking. Transferring media is just so much easier.
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post #14 of 46 Old 09-26-2013, 05:34 PM Thread Starter
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if i had thought for one moment i was going to get a new tank,i
know i would have thought ahead,and i reckon put some sponges
in the small tank to gather bacteria....i'm racking my brain thinking
if i know anyone near me with a tank....
it's full now,filter and heaters running,power head to aid in circulation
temp is now 74.6 f
hopefully a picture...
Dang you little dude...i see you...transference of plants harboured a bristle nose...

explanation ... left hand side...bag of noodles from other tank.....powerhead an heater in the middle.
floating on the right top is a bit of boxwood..
sand at the front,gravel at the back
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when you set up a new tank,hide an extra
sponge or two behind some decor,that way you have
something seeded for you next filter.

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post #15 of 46 Old 09-26-2013, 05:42 PM
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If that's the tank and those are live plants i would.


1) let it set fishless for a week.

2) only replace evaporative water, do no water changes.

3) add a single fish like a male platty.

4) wait one week with no food being added.

5) add a couple of females and start feeding 1 flake per day.

(you can do the same with other fish but for territorial fish add 4 more fish the second week.)


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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #16 of 46 Old 09-26-2013, 05:44 PM Thread Starter
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all live except the brightly coloured ones.
i think i need a dark background,the brown paper is not cutting it !

when you set up a new tank,hide an extra
sponge or two behind some decor,that way you have
something seeded for you next filter.
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post #17 of 46 Old 09-26-2013, 06:01 PM
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all live except the brightly coloured ones.
i think i need a dark background,the brown paper is not cutting it !
Good

Actually I couldn't tell about the paper bag.

One LFS used some aluminum foil for a tank background. Wadded it up not flat like a mirror.


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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #18 of 46 Old 09-26-2013, 06:05 PM Thread Starter
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i think i'll go for a black backing.
it's so new looking
somethings not right ? but i'm not great at plant work....

when you set up a new tank,hide an extra
sponge or two behind some decor,that way you have
something seeded for you next filter.
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post #19 of 46 Old 09-27-2013, 10:07 AM
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i think i'll go for a black backing.
it's so new looking
somethings not right ? but i'm not great at plant work....

Looks to me like you done pretty good so far.
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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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post #20 of 46 Old 09-27-2013, 10:19 AM Thread Starter
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really ! thank you
i've taken the brown paper away,as the wall is plain enough,and
as there are no wires or tubes showing,i'm happy ( for five minutes )

when you set up a new tank,hide an extra
sponge or two behind some decor,that way you have
something seeded for you next filter.
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