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Old 01-28-2009, 08:47 AM   #21
 
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I'd treat the whole volume of the tank with Prime. You're not going to harm the fish with a single dose of the stuff and it will help them out by converting some ammonia to ammonium.

As for the rising nitrates, well in my kit the readings start at 5ppm, less than that and you're just trying to compare shades of yellow. Until it pings 5ppm and really gets some differentiation going I wouldn't assume there's any nitrate. It's probably the lest accurate test in the whole kit.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:46 AM   #22
 
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Agreed.
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Old 01-30-2009, 05:32 AM   #23
 
Ok here are the latest results, this is with me doing daily 15% water changes.

Levels As At 30/1/09
PH 7.2
Ammonia 1.8
Nitrite 0.0
Nitrate 5.0

One thing that confuses me is that the levels have been the same for 13 days. (Apart from some fluxuation in nitrates) It is my understanding that when a tank is cycling the levels are constantly moving. Am i wrong do the levels just sit sometimes?
Also i was wondering do UGF tanks take longer to cycle than canister filter tanks?

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Old 01-30-2009, 06:04 AM   #24
 
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Water conditioner that doesn't address ammonia = ammonia
Live fish breathing=ammonia
fish poop =ammonia
uneaten fish food=ammonia
Product PRIME = less or no ammonia.
Are you still using the other water conditioner?
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:20 AM   #25
 
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The ammonia level is in constant flux during a cycle, but you have to recall that your ammonia test is not a very accurate reading. 0.25, 0.5, 1, 2, 4, 8 ppm isn't exactly an incredibly accurate scale. The small variations in concentration that are happening aren't reflected well in such a test. Also ammonia levels that tend to hang up aren't uncommon. Don't worry about it and be patient.
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Old 01-30-2009, 11:49 AM   #26
 
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I still think water changes larger than 10 or 15% is needed. There's a fairly heavy bioload in there for a new tank and the small water changes are not able to keep up with the ammonia being produced. 50% initially to get that ammonia down, then 25% daily. Only change the water, don't do any gravel vacs.
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Old 01-30-2009, 10:06 PM   #27
 
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Most water conditioners, including Prime, can cause incorrect ammonia test readings for 24 hrs after use, according to Seachem's website and others. Just something to keep in mind.

This includes plain old sodium thiosulfate as well as ammonia binders, and the exact effects depend on what type of test is being used.

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Old 02-02-2009, 05:26 AM   #28
 
New readings 2/2/09
Ph 7.3
Nitrate 5.0
Ammonia 1.9
Nitrite 0.0

I am still doing 10 - 15% water changes daily, and i have switched to Prime about 3 days ago (i treated the whole volume of the tank on day one) , this is the first test i have done since starting the prime and the values are identical to the tests just before Prime. Im totally lost now and cant understand why after 41 days there is no traces of Nitrites and there has never been any yet???? Ammonia was present at the start of January, it climbed up until the 21st of January and has sat there since. Im still feeding the fish and the fish are still pooping ( i hope!!!) So where is the new ammonia going if its not getting transfered to Nitrites?
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:32 AM   #29
 
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I would put the ammonia test away.By now you should have changed nearly 50 to 60 percent of the water which leads me to doubt the ammonia levels you are seeing. I would still feed the fish as you are doing (sparingly) I would watch the fish closely for signs of stress such as Gasping at the surface, rapid gill movement or respiration, or violent or erratic swimming. If none of this behaivor is evident then I would perform weekly water changes.You have approx seven fish that should be dead if levels you have been recording consistently are to be believed. If the fish appear stressed I would then test the water for ammonia and or nitrites otherwise I would let nature take it's course. The relatively small number and size of fish you have should not contribute to lethal levels of ammonia assuming that they arent overfed.It is my belief that something is causing false positive ammonia readings. I believe fish will be fine with proper feeding once a day or every two days.The tank will mature ,,it has to so long as no chemicals and or potions are used.
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:43 AM   #30
 
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I agree with 1077. With this many water changes there should be some reduced ammonia. Likewise the fish would be showing signs of suffering from almost 2ppm of ammonia for weeks on end. Go to your LFS with a sample of your water and have them test it. I'm willing to bet the ammonia readings they get won't match yours.

How are you doing the ammonia test by the way? All these tests are surprisingly sensitive to the way they're conducted.
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