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Cloudy Water and a few questions (newbie)
Old 08-03-2008, 07:35 PM   #11
 
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Wow, I feel so sorry for you. You got some bad advice! Just wanted to add the first 2 pics you posted are African cichlids which really shouldn't be mixed with your other fish which are Central and South American cichlids. With an ammonia reading of 8 I'm surprised they are still alive. Lots of water changes are in your future unless you can get the store to take them back.

Cool tank decorations. 8)
Also i tested the water again and its around 2 i don't think it was really at 8 i might of just been freaking out and expecting the worse (i had my girlfriend check it after i did this time) also here are pictures of the ones i have in my tank to make sure i used the right pictures:

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Old 08-03-2008, 08:02 PM   #12
 
Melanochromis johannii. Not sure if they have a common name. The dark guy is the male, the yellow ones are females. Beautiful fish. Highly intelligent, highly aggressive though. :(
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Old 08-03-2008, 08:24 PM   #13
 
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Blue Electric...the actual pic of the fish in question is a lot different than the original pic so that's where my confusion came from.
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Old 08-03-2008, 08:30 PM   #14
 
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Blue Electric...the actual pic of the fish in question is a lot different than the original pic so that's where my confusion came from.
yea sorry about that so minus the over stocking of fish that are going to outgrow the tank and not knowing anything about cycling all the fish he sold me are compatible?
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Old 08-03-2008, 08:31 PM   #15
 
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HOLY CRAP!!!

it looks like i will be finding them a new home soon than because i highly doubt i will be able to keep up with stats like that being this is my first shot at a fish tank man i feel like a real tool now.....i went in the store figuring these guys would know a thing or two about fish and fish tanks looks like all they really cared about was my money and not the well being of the fish they were selling me which pisses me off even more than them ripping me off dammit man, if i can keep them alive long enough do you think i could split them up into separate tanks or do they need to be with other fish to be happy because it sounds like ide need a huge freaking tank to keep them all together :( none of them are that big right now, the biggest is maybe 2-3 inchs right now
Well...you could keep the Oscars and the Parrots together for a very short time while you're finding new homes but they WILL grow very rapidly. The Electrics need to be in their own happy little world, and I don't think a firemouth will be aggressive to a pleco but again, ALL of these fish are going to grow like weeds and I don't think you were quite planning this into the budget :(
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Old 08-03-2008, 08:40 PM   #16
 
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HOLY CRAP!!!

it looks like i will be finding them a new home soon than because i highly doubt i will be able to keep up with stats like that being this is my first shot at a fish tank man i feel like a real tool now.....i went in the store figuring these guys would know a thing or two about fish and fish tanks looks like all they really cared about was my money and not the well being of the fish they were selling me which pisses me off even more than them ripping me off dammit man, if i can keep them alive long enough do you think i could split them up into separate tanks or do they need to be with other fish to be happy because it sounds like ide need a huge freaking tank to keep them all together :( none of them are that big right now, the biggest is maybe 2-3 inchs right now
Well...you could keep the Oscars and the Parrots together for a very short time while you're finding new homes but they WILL grow very rapidly. The Electrics need to be in their own happy little world, and I don't think a firemouth will be aggressive to a pleco but again, ALL of these fish are going to grow like weeds and I don't think you were quite planning this into the budget :(
You are correct with the budget part, but im lucky enough to work as a supervisor at the apartment complex i live at so i pay not rent, electric, water, tv, etc....so i have LOTS of play money so if they can last for about a month in the current tank i can upgrade to something that will make them much happier, just didnt expect to be bent over like this, and the electric is the blue fish not the two yellow ones right? i only have one of the blue ones and when i get a bigger tank i should leave him in the current 20gallon alone? or will a 20 gallon be to small for just him?

so with the current fish i have what size tank would fit them well once full grown so i can start looking thank every one of you for all of the excellent help you have givin me so far, I LOVE THE INTERNET
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Old 08-03-2008, 08:59 PM   #17
 
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HOLY CRAP!!!

it looks like i will be finding them a new home soon than because i highly doubt i will be able to keep up with stats like that being this is my first shot at a fish tank man i feel like a real tool now.....i went in the store figuring these guys would know a thing or two about fish and fish tanks looks like all they really cared about was my money and not the well being of the fish they were selling me which pisses me off even more than them ripping me off dammit man, if i can keep them alive long enough do you think i could split them up into separate tanks or do they need to be with other fish to be happy because it sounds like ide need a huge freaking tank to keep them all together :( none of them are that big right now, the biggest is maybe 2-3 inchs right now
Well...you could keep the Oscars and the Parrots together for a very short time while you're finding new homes but they WILL grow very rapidly. The Electrics need to be in their own happy little world, and I don't think a firemouth will be aggressive to a pleco but again, ALL of these fish are going to grow like weeds and I don't think you were quite planning this into the budget :(
You are correct with the budget part, but im lucky enough to work as a supervisor at the apartment complex i live at so i pay not rent, electric, water, tv, etc....so i have LOTS of play money so if they can last for about a month in the current tank i can upgrade to something that will make them much happier, just didnt expect to be bent over like this, and the electric is the blue fish not the two yellow ones right? i only have one of the blue ones and when i get a bigger tank i should leave him in the current 20gallon alone? or will a 20 gallon be to small for just him?

so with the current fish i have what size tank would fit them well once full grown so i can start looking thank every one of you for all of the excellent help you have givin me so far, I LOVE THE INTERNET
The Blue should probably be kept away from the Yellows since they'd breed...you might get away with keeping him in the 20 gallon. As for the rest...you do the math based on minimum gallons and compatibility. And no, you can't skimp on space with those guys. I don't even know if you could get them to keep them all from killing each other in the month it would take (is this a month where you'd buy the tanks and get them cycled, or a month until you have the funds to buy the tanks?). Keep in mind the amounts of equipment used. You can't exactly use a couple HOB's on the Oscar/Parrot tank and call it good, for proper care you'd either want a couple canister filters or a sump or both. You'll need heaters for all of them, and wherever the pleco ends up it needs really good filtration cuz they poop like none other. This would be a project for an experienced fishkeeper with a LOT of time on their hands to be doing all of this all at once.

My advice is to find new proper homes for all of them and get some nice, much easier fish like rasboras or white clouds or something, maybe a Blue Ram cichlid....something very low key. If you wanted to do something this massive up in the future you could start doing your research now, but not have to cram everything into your brain at once.
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Old 08-03-2008, 09:23 PM   #18
 
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HOLY CRAP!!!

it looks like i will be finding them a new home soon than because i highly doubt i will be able to keep up with stats like that being this is my first shot at a fish tank man i feel like a real tool now.....i went in the store figuring these guys would know a thing or two about fish and fish tanks looks like all they really cared about was my money and not the well being of the fish they were selling me which pisses me off even more than them ripping me off dammit man, if i can keep them alive long enough do you think i could split them up into separate tanks or do they need to be with other fish to be happy because it sounds like ide need a huge freaking tank to keep them all together :( none of them are that big right now, the biggest is maybe 2-3 inchs right now
Well...you could keep the Oscars and the Parrots together for a very short time while you're finding new homes but they WILL grow very rapidly. The Electrics need to be in their own happy little world, and I don't think a firemouth will be aggressive to a pleco but again, ALL of these fish are going to grow like weeds and I don't think you were quite planning this into the budget :(
You are correct with the budget part, but im lucky enough to work as a supervisor at the apartment complex i live at so i pay not rent, electric, water, tv, etc....so i have LOTS of play money so if they can last for about a month in the current tank i can upgrade to something that will make them much happier, just didnt expect to be bent over like this, and the electric is the blue fish not the two yellow ones right? i only have one of the blue ones and when i get a bigger tank i should leave him in the current 20gallon alone? or will a 20 gallon be to small for just him?

so with the current fish i have what size tank would fit them well once full grown so i can start looking thank every one of you for all of the excellent help you have givin me so far, I LOVE THE INTERNET
The Blue should probably be kept away from the Yellows since they'd breed...you might get away with keeping him in the 20 gallon. As for the rest...you do the math based on minimum gallons and compatibility. And no, you can't skimp on space with those guys. I don't even know if you could get them to keep them all from killing each other in the month it would take (is this a month where you'd buy the tanks and get them cycled, or a month until you have the funds to buy the tanks?). Keep in mind the amounts of equipment used. You can't exactly use a couple HOB's on the Oscar/Parrot tank and call it good, for proper care you'd either want a couple canister filters or a sump or both. You'll need heaters for all of them, and wherever the pleco ends up it needs really good filtration cuz they poop like none other. This would be a project for an experienced fishkeeper with a LOT of time on their hands to be doing all of this all at once.

My advice is to find new proper homes for all of them and get some nice, much easier fish like rasboras or white clouds or something, maybe a Blue Ram cichlid....something very low key. If you wanted to do something this massive up in the future you could start doing your research now, but not have to cram everything into your brain at once.
Yea i was saying prolly around a month to get the tank put together not including the cycle.....i will ask around the complex tomorrow if anyone owns a nice big fish tank but as i remember i dont think anyone as a tank big enough to hold them so i will post in the flyer (its a free weekly ad book that comes out every week) or craigslist. thanks for all the help im gunna get some sleep for tomorrow and now that i know fish are not as easy as when i was 7 and had two goldfish in a bowl. I NEED TO RTFM
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Old 08-03-2008, 11:55 PM   #19
 
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Wow...that's really unfortunate.

If you had a gigantic tank, you could possibly keep all of those fish together except for the African cichlids, which wouldn't mix well due to both their aggression and their different water parameter needs.

Just so you understand that we aren't extremists who say that fish need huge environments: the oscars will grow to 16" and I've heard of them reaching a foot long after one year. The pleco can reach up to two feet. The parrots can grow as large as 9". As well as being large fish, every single fish you've got there produces a significant amount of waste even when compared to similarly sized fish.

As it is, you're at least going to have to get at least one substantially larger tank right now. You might be able to get away with keeping the three Africans by themselves in a 20g for the short term, but then again you might get aggression problems. For the other fish you've got, I wouldn't want them in anything less than 55g even for the short term, and you'd have to get a tank much larger than that (a 180g would be great but 125 should be considered a bare minimum) not far down the road. Even then, you might get aggression issues with those other fish.

If you don't want to jump into the financial and time constraint of owning those fish, I'm sure you'll be able to have someone take them off your hands. You might not be able to sell the fish, but you will most likely be able to take them to a fish store and simply tell them you can't take care of them. I believe even big chain stores will do this.

Fishkeeping is definitely a fun and rewarding hobby, but the fish you've got there just require a lot of money and work from their owners. Before you make that commitment, it might be better to start on a smaller scale to get your feet wet. Your fish aren't *difficult* to care for and as long as you can meet their needs you will be rewarded, just know that those particular fish have some very substantial needs.
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Old 08-04-2008, 05:01 AM   #20
 
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Unfortunately they will just turn around and sell them to another person who is looking to start a tank and doesn't know what they want yet.
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