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Old 07-25-2011, 10:11 AM   #11
 
If algae and biofilms are building up that much you have a imbalance some where. Last time I cleaned my filter I used the mulm to jump start a bin I am fishless cycling and it worked great.

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Old 07-25-2011, 11:33 AM   #12
 
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If algae and biofilms are building up that much you have a imbalance some where. Last time I cleaned my filter I used the mulm to jump start a bin I am fishless cycling and it worked great.
- Given sufficient light, I think some algae growth is normal. Excessive algae growth or problem may be a sign of excessive nitrates (in many aquariums [mostly salt water], separate algae tank/filters are used to keep algae levels down in the main tank). To some degree, algae is a beneficial with respect to water quality...it's just not always aesthetically pleasing.

- Off topic, but yes, using "mulm filter juice" is a viable bio-seed for another tank as is filter media and gravel.
I saw a youtube video where a fish shop illustrated "instant cycle" when they squeezed a sponge filter from an established tank into a cup and then into a new setup. This is effectively the same as Dr. Tim's (and other) bio-seed concoctions. It only makes sense that if you seed a new tank with bacteria from an established tank a cycle period can be dramatically accelerated. Now, there still needs to be conditions for the bacteria to flourish (food and O2) AND the tank will still require time to establish and balance, but there should be no ammonia spike as often is the case in the new tank cycling syndrome that often spells disaster.

But okay, you've convinced me to just let my decor and substrate go untouched and see where it takes me.
(okay, maybe I'll still use the gravel siphon monthly <g>)
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Old 07-25-2011, 01:08 PM   #13
 
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- Given sufficient light, I think some algae growth is normal. Excessive algae growth or problem may be a sign of excessive nitrates (in many aquariums [mostly salt water], separate algae tank/filters are used to keep algae levels down in the main tank). To some degree, algae is a beneficial with respect to water quality...it's just not always aesthetically pleasing.

- Off topic, but yes, using "mulm filter juice" is a viable bio-seed for another tank as is filter media and gravel.
I saw a youtube video where a fish shop illustrated "instant cycle" when they squeezed a sponge filter from an established tank into a cup and then into a new setup. This is effectively the same as Dr. Tim's (and other) bio-seed concoctions. It only makes sense that if you seed a new tank with bacteria from an established tank a cycle period can be dramatically accelerated. Now, there still needs to be conditions for the bacteria to flourish (food and O2) AND the tank will still require time to establish and balance, but there should be no ammonia spike as often is the case in the new tank cycling syndrome that often spells disaster.

But okay, you've convinced me to just let my decor and substrate go untouched and see where it takes me.
(okay, maybe I'll still use the gravel siphon monthly <g>)
Yeah normally I just take my old top layer of filter floss out of my canister and put that around another filter to 'clone' a different system. I've done it many times before. It should of been easy but it failed completely this time. Its pretty clear I killed all the bacteria I transferred right away. Don't know how, but I did. Its cycling smoothly now, but most the stuff I attempted to do to speed it up failed completely. Me and fishless cycling always have terrible results. What should of taken about 2 weeks has taken over a month.
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Old 07-25-2011, 01:14 PM   #14
 
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I've followd this mini-discussion and will just say that I agree with what Mikaila is saying about not touching planted tanks. Never "vacuum" the substrate, and don't clean wood/decor. As you siad, algae is normal, it just has to be kept in check, and that is a light issue. All this cleaning of decor is removing essential biofilms for bacteria, and I don't mean just nitrifying bacteria, but the other even-more essential bacteria in lanted tanks.

The main benefit of live plants is allowing nature to do the work, not the aquarist or some gadgetry. A totally "natural" aquarium can flourish with live plants, balanced fish load, daylight, no filter, heater if necessary. Taking that principal which certainly does work, we can improve the light and possibly use fertilizer depending upon the system. But nature is still doing most of the work. The regular partial water change benefits, otherwise I prefer to stay out of my fishes' environment.
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Old 07-25-2011, 01:28 PM   #15
 
can you really do a planted tank with convict cichlids?
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Old 07-25-2011, 06:16 PM   #16
 
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can you really do a planted tank with convict cichlids?
Substrate rooted plants would likely be dug up continually, but plants attached to rock or wood such as Java Farn, Anubias might fare OK. And floating of course.
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Old 07-25-2011, 08:10 PM   #17
 
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I've followd this mini-discussion and will just say that I agree with what Mikaila is saying about not touching planted tanks. Never "vacuum" the substrate, and don't clean wood/decor. As you siad, algae is normal, it just has to be kept in check, and that is a light issue. All this cleaning of decor is removing essential biofilms for bacteria, and I don't mean just nitrifying bacteria, but the other even-more essential bacteria in lanted tanks.

The main benefit of live plants is allowing nature to do the work, not the aquarist or some gadgetry. A totally "natural" aquarium can flourish with live plants, balanced fish load, daylight, no filter, heater if necessary. Taking that principal which certainly does work, we can improve the light and possibly use fertilizer depending upon the system. But nature is still doing most of the work. The regular partial water change benefits, otherwise I prefer to stay out of my fishes' environment.
I agree with you and I may (pardon the pun) dip my toe in the water of living plants again. In my previous attempt to root cuttings, my pig like platies stripped the plants to the stalks! I currently have a different variety of floating plants and they seem to be holding their own so far. Perhaps I'll add some more.
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Old 07-25-2011, 08:19 PM   #18
 
I've been considering purchasing duckweed...

my previous attemps at planted tanks have resulted in creating some expensive salads for my fish...
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:24 PM   #19
 
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I've been considering purchasing duckweed...

my previous attemps at planted tanks have resulted in creating some expensive salads for my fish...
Zactly!
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Old 07-25-2011, 11:08 PM   #20
 
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Maybe it's no coincidence that his newest videos are from 8 months ago.
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