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Changing Filter Types
Old 11-12-2008, 11:19 AM   #1
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Changing Filter Types

Hi again: More questions! I currently have a 46 gallon tank with an Emperor filter that hangs on the back. It was okay for the one fish, but now that I have many more, would it be better to switch to a canister filter? That's a big step for me, but if it's fairly easy to do, it may be better once the tank gets more populated with babies, etc.

Do you run both the Emperor and canister for a period of time and if so, how long? When you remove the old filter, will there be enough good bacteria on the canister to take over on it's own or can I expect a problem there? Or would it be better to keep what I've got and just add a big sponge filter. I read up on them last night and some people swear they're the best - above all else.

Lets see.. how about cleaning a canister? How do you know when to do it or is there an indicator of some kind on it? Is it hard to clean? I hate doing the Emperor. I end up dumping water everywhere on the way to the kitchen.

If it's best for me to switch, which brand is the best? And what size for a 46 gallon? So many questions... Thanks, Cheryl

PS: Off-topic - does anyone know where to get a glass canopy for a 46 gal. bowfront? The plastic one has seen it's better days and the pop up door is broken. Plus, the plastic window has turned white so the light doesn't get through as well as it should.

Okay, I'll shut up now.
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Old 11-12-2008, 12:20 PM   #2
 
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hello. :)
no need to shut up at all,never worry about asking or making a long post.
fluval,Eheim,make good filters,and they are not bad to connect
or clean out(and i'm a girl)
run the two or place sponges/noodels into the new filter,from the old one.
and just mix them all together.
can't help on the canopy issue though,sorry.
i don't touch my canister(fluval 304) often at all,sometimes i
go by the flow from the out pipe.you shut the valves,remove the base,
take out the sponges,give them a light shake in the old tank water,
replace them,the next timewhen it's time to clean,i give the noodles
in their basket a shuffel in old tank water.
have a look at the two filters i suggested,and let us know what you think.
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Old 11-12-2008, 02:26 PM   #3
 
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Emperor 280 or 400? Also what kind of fish are you keeping? Unless you're keeping several large messy cichlids or plecos the Emperor is probably still going to be just fine for you.

As for moving from one filter to another, yes, I'd set up the canister and run it right along with the Emperor for a while, at least two weeks.
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Old 11-12-2008, 04:54 PM   #4
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hello. :)
no need to shut up at all,never worry about asking or making a long post.
fluval,Eheim,make good filters,and they are not bad to connect
or clean out(and i'm a girl)
run the two or place sponges/noodels into the new filter,from the old one.
and just mix them all together.
can't help on the canopy issue though,sorry.
i don't touch my canister(fluval 304) often at all,sometimes i
go by the flow from the out pipe.you shut the valves,remove the base,
take out the sponges,give them a light shake in the old tank water,
replace them,the next timewhen it's time to clean,i give the noodles
in their basket a shuffel in old tank water.
have a look at the two filters i suggested,and let us know what you think.
Hmm... I don't have any noodels. The Emperor filter has two bio wheels that spin around. The carbon filter in the back of it would have bacteria, but probably not as much. That may fit in the canister though. If not, I can just cut the spongy part off and throw the carbon away.

I'm checking the Ehiems out now and learning a lot as I go. They have one that has an indicator that tells you when to clean it. I won't even mention what they're asking for it though
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Old 11-12-2008, 05:07 PM   #5
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Emperor 280 or 400? Also what kind of fish are you keeping? Unless you're keeping several large messy cichlids or plecos the Emperor is probably still going to be just fine for you.

As for moving from one filter to another, yes, I'd set up the canister and run it right along with the Emperor for a while, at least two weeks.
It's the 400. I have over a dozen glow fish now and plan to get an albino bristlenose pleco once the tank is stable (It only had one fish in it before). I have read that the danios (that's what glow fish are) have babies like mad so it will soon be full... I hope. The Emperor works fine for now but it's bulky, a real pain to clean and sounds like an old chevy I used to have when it starts. Bottom line, I'm just sick of it and think I could do better.
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Old 11-12-2008, 05:18 PM   #6
 
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hi
you can leave them both running,it won't hurt.
and yes,some an be expensive,however i guess once you
have it,it pays for it's self.well worth the money if it ticks
all the boxes for you.
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Old 11-12-2008, 09:07 PM   #7
 
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Definitely look at buying your filters from an online retailer, as they're much cheaper that way than in stores. You shouldn't need to remove the entire Emperor from the back of your tank. If the intake tube ever gets clogged, you can remove that and rinse it out. If the filter cartridges get clogged up, you can take them out and give them a rinse in used tank water. I think an Emperor 400 is probably sufficient for just the danios and one small pleco, but if you're anal about over-filtration you could always add something else. Marineland makes a hang-on-tank canister filter that's pretty nice.

Here's the filter (it's the Pro version that includes a hang-on-tank Biowheel):
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3579+3598&pcatid=3598

I believe this is the glass canopy for a 46g bowfront:
46 Euro Glass Canopy (Perfecto)
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:29 AM   #8
 
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Well the Emperor is more than enough filter for your fish. The danios have a small bioload so the only real challenge is the plec and he's not going to be enough to tax the filter. The danios are not likely to make many babies that survive.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure how the Emperor is a pain to clean. Pull out the filter cartridges, swish them in a bucket of tank water and put them back in. Honestly if that's a pain you're not going to be happy with a canister and the complete dismantling of it you have to do to clean it.

As for the noise, on start up I have a bucket of dechlorinated water for my water change and just pour it into the cartridge area until the fitler starts to overflow. This eases the load on the impeller and it stay quiet. During operation my HoB is nearly silent. The big thing with a Marineland filter like this is to not let the water level in your tank get too low. Keep it high and it'll run almost silently.
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Old 11-13-2008, 09:05 AM   #9
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Definitely look at buying your filters from an online retailer, as they're much cheaper that way than in stores. You shouldn't need to remove the entire Emperor from the back of your tank. If the intake tube ever gets clogged, you can remove that and rinse it out. If the filter cartridges get clogged up, you can take them out and give them a rinse in used tank water. I think an Emperor 400 is probably sufficient for just the danios and one small pleco, but if you're anal about over-filtration you could always add something else. Marineland makes a hang-on-tank canister filter that's pretty nice.

Here's the filter (it's the Pro version that includes a hang-on-tank Biowheel):
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3578+3579+3598&pcatid=3598

I believe this is the glass canopy for a 46g bowfront:
46 Euro Glass Canopy (Perfecto)
Well, I may just keep the Emperor and get a sponge filter to help it recycle for the additional fish. Thanks for the link to the canopy, but I need a bow-front for a 46 gallon. They're impossible to find but someone must make them! That magnum is neat. A canister with a bio wheel too.
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Old 11-13-2008, 09:19 AM   #10
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Well the Emperor is more than enough filter for your fish. The danios have a small bioload so the only real challenge is the plec and he's not going to be enough to tax the filter. The danios are not likely to make many babies that survive.

I'll be honest, I'm not sure how the Emperor is a pain to clean. Pull out the filter cartridges, swish them in a bucket of tank water and put them back in. Honestly if that's a pain you're not going to be happy with a canister and the complete dismantling of it you have to do to clean it.

As for the noise, on start up I have a bucket of dechlorinated water for my water change and just pour it into the cartridge area until the fitler starts to overflow. This eases the load on the impeller and it stay quiet. During operation my HoB is nearly silent. The big thing with a Marineland filter like this is to not let the water level in your tank get too low. Keep it high and it'll run almost silently.
Sorry to hear that about the babies. I had hoped to have many of them. Maybe they'll survive if I put some hiding places in there?

I don't clean the inside parts/charcoal filters separately. Every month I pull the whole thing and clean it in the kitchen sink. It usually has muck on the impellers. It's probably healthier for the tank to do it your way though. I usually float the bio wheels in the tank while I'm cleaning. I do it every month because my tank is so deep, it needs to have a fast flow to keep the water aerated. It would be so nice to just flip a lid and clean a canister shape, rather than all of the nicks and crannies in the Emperor. Oh well, since it's adequate for what I have, I may just keep it.

Any ideas on how I can save some babies? From what I understand, danios lay eggs. What about scooping up the rocks where the eggs are and putting them in a baby tank? I have one of those small plastic things. Or would I be killing them that way - crushing the eggs in moving?
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