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Old 03-09-2010, 09:54 AM   #11
 
Goldfish especially comets get 2+feet long and really belong in a pond, these guy are poop machines and thrive best in cold water 45-65F and can live over 25 years with proper care. You will end up having lots of problems with any tank you keep, if you can rehome them to someones pond or fish shop and find a really cool tropical fish or since you are planning a 30g you could get the fancy type of goldfsih, if goldies are what you like, however, the fancy type need at least 20g/fish with 10g/fish for each additional so 30g would safely house 2 fancy type goldfish IMO.
This is an awesome hobby and I hate seeing a new hobbyist have so many problems in the beginning and you will see many more with your stocking level, daily to twice daily water changes may save the fish today, but as they grow you will see more problems related to overcrowding and stress.
When you stock your tank you need to look at what size they will be when fully grown, schooling needs, swimming needs and territory needs, then you need to look for compatibility of species general temp, pH etc.....
Cycling, understanding the nitrogen cycle, it is not the ammonia per se' that cycle but the nitrifying bacteria that feed off the ammonia then convert to nitrite then nitrite to nitrate, cycling times can vary depending on water temp and pH.
NB (nitrifying bacteria) are sticky and adhere to everything inside the tank, on the walls, decorations, plants both real and fake, in the top layer of the substrate, and in the filter media...very little are in the water column itself, so water changes will not hurt the cycling process.
With readings of ammonia or nitrite greater than 0.25ppm, make water changes but do not vacuum the substrate anymore than one time a week or touch the filter media unless the flow has slowed and then only give it a swish in removed tank water to keep the NB intact.
Once you have readings of ammonia 0ppm, nitrite 0ppm, nitrate 5-10ppm for several days without water changes you are most likely cycled, however, with your stocking you may never see this.
Nitrates over 40ppm can start to affect the fish immune response and a good vacuum can often fix this.
Use a good dechlorinator if on city water supply with all new water added to the tank.
And like many of the other posters have stated, you may not see a stable tank due to stocking issues.
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:20 AM   #12
 
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Goldfish especially comets get 2+feet long and really belong in a pond, these guy are poop machines and thrive best in cold water 45-65F and can live over 25 years with proper care. You will end up having lots of problems with any tank you keep, if you can rehome them to someones pond or fish shop and find a really cool tropical fish or since you are planning a 30g you could get the fancy type of goldfsih, if goldies are what you like, however, the fancy type need at least 20g/fish with 10g/fish for each additional so 30g would safely house 2 fancy type goldfish IMO.
This is an awesome hobby and I hate seeing a new hobbyist have so many problems in the beginning...
Well, I am quite partial to these goldfish, but if it means slowly killing them and keeping them unhappy, I would feel better seeing if I can re-home them to one of the pet stores, I'm not sure what I will want to d in the 10 gallon tank now, but I suppose I can figure that out once my fishless cycle has finished.

I think I'll see about bringing these guys to one of the store and going to buy fomr frozen shrimp later today.

I'm just worried that they may not take the fish, particularly because it looks like they have been nippy and one or two of looks like they had a small chunk or two out of their tails(could not see any white or anything that looked like finrot, but I'm far from an expert who would know)




Also, I don't see why it wouldn't be, but if I empty this tank and start a fishless cycle, is there anything specific I should do in preparation, or just removing the fish, doing a good gravel vac, pwc, and putting in the shrimp and monitoring levels?

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Old 03-09-2010, 11:44 AM   #13
 
It looks like if all goes well, either tonight or tomorrow, but definitely within this week I should be getting a 55 gallon tank, if I do, does it seem possibly that these 5 goldfish would be able to survive through that tank cycling with the 5 of them in there, or perhaps I could do a fishless cycle in the 55 gallon while the goldfish stay in the 10 gallon, and once the cycle is done move them into the 55 gallon?

If it IS possible for them to be healthy int he 55 gallon tank, I would very much prefer keep them than bring them to the fish store to be bundled with a 1 gallon tank as they came to me.
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Old 03-09-2010, 12:09 PM   #14
 
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what type of goldfish do you have? many goldfish require 30 gallons just to keep one...maybe two or three in a 55 gallon, but again, it depends on what type of goldfish you have. five in a 10 gallon is cruel to them and the guy at the store should be canned

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Old 03-09-2010, 12:22 PM   #15
 
With normal healthy growth and development a coment should be 1ft by 12-18mo, and 2ft by 24-32mo more or less, and most 55g tank are 4ft long and 1ft across, fish are not stiff as a board but a 12-18in fish will have trouble turning around in a 12in space and add 6 fish...that is a lot of fish in a tank.
Even in a 55g, these guys are poop machines and IMO you would need to make at least 50-75% daily water changes for best health, however, the 55g will buy you more time, I love goldies too..such a cool fish and I am so glad I have a pond so I can keep them...
You have lots of choices for both the 10g and 55g IMO/E and in the 55g you can get the fancy type goldfish they don't get as big and they have awesome personalities and can become true pets that will eat out of your hand and let you pet them...well...in a fishy way...lol.....

To change over, check the nitrate levels, you want them to be the same, a fish that goes from high to low or vice-versa can be shocked and can get sick, even die depending on the levels. I would go ahead an put the goldies in the 55g when you get it if you decide to keep them and watch the levels and make the needed water changes to keep it stable and safe.
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:49 PM   #16
 
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With normal healthy growth and development a coment should be 1ft by 12-18mo, and 2ft by 24-32mo more or less, and most 55g tank are 4ft long and 1ft across, fish are not stiff as a board but a 12-18in fish will have trouble turning around in a 12in space and add 6 fish...that is a lot of fish in a tank.
Even in a 55g, these guys are poop machines and IMO you would need to make at least 50-75% daily water changes for best health, however, the 55g will buy you more time, I love goldies too..such a cool fish and I am so glad I have a pond so I can keep them...
You have lots of choices for both the 10g and 55g IMO/E and in the 55g you can get the fancy type goldfish they don't get as big and they have awesome personalities and can become true pets that will eat out of your hand and let you pet them...well...in a fishy way...lol.....

To change over, check the nitrate levels, you want them to be the same, a fish that goes from high to low or vice-versa can be shocked and can get sick, even die depending on the levels. I would go ahead an put the goldies in the 55g when you get it if you decide to keep them and watch the levels and make the needed water changes to keep it stable and safe.
Well, as my budget is getting smaller and smaller with every purchase to keep the "couple small easy fish" I got, everything is looking less and less possible, as this started out as a 20 dollar thing, and so far has netted probably close to 100, I'm not working atm, so this really isnt feasible anymore, I'm going to go around to a few local fish stores, and ask if any of them can take them, as I know I can't keep them, and I could never live with myself if I were to kill them be it intentional or from negligence on proper conditions.

I am going to see about getting that 55 gallon tank, it looks like I might be able to get it this weekend, and if I do, it will be on hold until i can afford to really do everything right.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:28 PM   #17
 
+1 on everything FishLady says.


If you can't find any stores to take the fish - do you have any friends that have horses or cows? A lot of farmers/ranchers put goldfish in their feeding troughs to keep them clean. It might sound cruel to some, but I know quite a few with 12 in goldies in their tank that are doing just fine.

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Old 03-10-2010, 03:45 AM   #18
 
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I can't find the thread right now but a while back someone had a really cool thread about a really inexpensive outdoor "pond" they had built for their goldies. Basically just a big metal water trough with a pond filter and pea gravel for a substrate. Rubbermaid makes stock tanks up to 300 gallons.
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Old 03-10-2010, 08:39 AM   #19
 
Good idea on the stock water tanks, and they get constant fresh water too...

I hear ya on cost, I try and stay as low cost as I can and look for other methods....this hobby doesn't have be expensive........I hit yard sales for cheap tanks and equipment/supply, local fish clubs are always a good place to get things cheap...
This is a wonderful hobby and it is good for your health too......
When you get your other tank we can help you get it set up, I think you will be much happier and be more successful if you rehome the goldies.
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