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Old 06-16-2012, 03:52 PM   #21
 
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I'm sorry, that's how you compare things? A tiger is perfectly safe to be around because hippos are worse? That's very poor judgement.
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:59 PM   #22
 
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Such as? All of them are compatible with Experince and multiple hours of research, the rasboras and tetras can be a hit and miss though. But with the proper maintenance, and making sure the groups are in optimal numbers. It should be okay
Mostly the micro species, the smaller tetras and the livebears. The micro are too small and delicate to be kept with bettas. The same goes for the tetras, like the neons, cardinals, embers, and rummys. The livebears, because of they bright colors, and the guppies and swordtails with long fins. These in my opinion are a target for bettas.
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:29 PM   #23
 
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I'm sorry, that's how you compare things? A tiger is perfectly safe to be around because hippos are worse? That's very poor judgement.
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The only fish I would be worried about keeping a betta with are another betta and neon tetras. I'm sorry you have very poor judgement.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:00 PM   #24
 
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Neon tetra? Of all fish, why neon tetra? Are cardinal tetra okay then? Mosquito rasbora?
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:47 PM   #25
 
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Wow, didn't mean to cause a riot, LOL. I had a betta many years ago who bit off all my male guppy's tails. It was awful. I came home to a bunch of dying, tail-less guppies. So I will never put guppies in with ANY betta again.
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Old 06-17-2012, 05:30 PM   #26
 
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This thread has some misunderstandings and inaccuracies that I would like to address.

The first issue is just what is "aggression?" We tend to think of aggressive fish as those that will physically attack another fish; but aggression is not always physical. Perhaps bullying is a more descriptive term. With fish, bullying or aggression can be shown to another species through physical actions like fin nipping, chasing, jaw-locking, biting, fin displays, etc, but just as easily through chemical signals such as pheromones and allomones. And these latter are just as important to fish compatibility as is the physical aggression. And the reason is stress.

For the purposes of determining compatibility, an aggressive fish is one that causes stress to a fish of another species, where that stress is sufficient to lead to other issues that affect the fish's health. The mere presence in the tank of a group of Tiger Barb for example can cause severe stress to sedate fish even if no physical contact occurs. The pheromones and allomones released by all fish can be read by other fish. It is something akin to what we might term "body language" in other animals and even humans. We can easily read the thoughts of another person with never a word being spoken. So it is with fish, through chemical as well as physical behaviours.

There are many inappropriate species in the list that Mo cited earlier in this thread. Some of those fish, in fact most of them, should never be placed in the same aquarium as Betta.

There are a great many hobbyists who, for reasons I can not always comprehend, make the assumption that almost any fish can be combined and work. While there are differences within individual fish of a given species, there is also a norm for each species, and the responsible aquarist is one who takes this into account and does not "push the envelope." We are dealing with living creatures in this hobby, and knowing the science behind them--what works and what doesn't--is frankly essential. Those who have taken the time to read my article on stress will better understand the complexities involved in maintaining healthy fish--and this is the only way to ensure a successful aquarium.

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Old 06-18-2012, 02:11 AM   #27
 
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I keep piranhas, exodons, other fish of the type. Feel free to throw all of your aggressive bettas in any of my tanks and we will see which fish are more aggressive.
There is a difference between aggression and natural predatory drive. It's like a dog chasing a squirrel. Just the act of chasing doesn't make the dog aggressive (if this were so we'd have a lot more aggressive dogs). The moving object triggers the dog's natural predatory drive. It's the same thing with putting a small fish (betta) in with piranhas. The piranha are just acting on a natural predatory drive to eat anything small enough to fit in its mouth. I've seen my koi (most decidedly a non-aggressive species) act in the same manner. A fish was small enough to fit in the koi's mouth, so the koi ate it. This act doesn't make the koi aggressive.

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Mostly the micro species, the smaller tetras and the livebears. The micro are too small and delicate to be kept with bettas. The same goes for the tetras, like the neons, cardinals, embers, and rummys. The livebears, because of they bright colors, and the guppies and swordtails with long fins. These in my opinion are a target for bettas.
I'm curious what species you would find suitable to housed with betta. I'm not trying to poke the bear. I've never kept betta with any other fish, and I'm always looking for more opinions on this so I can better advise those who do want to keep betta with other fish.
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Old 06-18-2012, 06:19 AM   #28
 
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Yea, I've oft been told to just never keep them with anything.. I made an exception for my cories, but I was told that's wrong because of temperature difference. I keep the tank at 76F and have not noticed the betta suffer.
Really, if you wanna keep them at their toasty 80+F, your options are zero. Fish that like those temps are a very bad idea..
My Reuben is the kind of fish that'll nudge the cories occasionally, they aren't scared of him though. I put my other guy Gilbert in with them first, and he pursued them relentlessly.
I have a feeling a lot of community tanks are stressful on betta, which can cause them to become more timid, often when people stuff too many fish into a tank. The other case is that your fish act VERY different when you aren't right infront of them. Try watching your tank from the other side of the room.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:53 AM   #29
 
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Such as? All of them are compatible with Experince and multiple hours of research, the rasboras and tetras can be a hit and miss though. But with the proper maintenance, and making sure the groups are in optimal numbers. It should be okay

No, not all of the fish you list are compatible. (at least not for long)
Betta's prefer tropical temps 78 to 82 degree's F while many of the fish you listed prefer cooler temps over the long haul Tetra's,cory's, pleco's, (plecos also appreciate considerable water movement) would all be much happier between 73 to 76 degree's F.
Many of the fishes listed would easily outcompete for food with Betta ,and regardless of what ANYBODY think's,, Betta's are not community fish.
Far too many will flat harrass,kill, tankmates in the real world not withstanding those who claim exceptions.
Question from original poster was aptly answered in first two reply's.
Smart money would pay heed to those reply's ,but then many are those who must find their own way ,often at the expense of the fishes who would be just fine at store, or someone elses tank, without being tossed into a tank with a Betta.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:16 PM   #30
 
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Bettas are not that aggressive in my opinion. They don't even eat other fish, they fin nip.
I couldn't even keep an Apple Snail with my male betta. He bullied it endlessly. Granted, some betta are more aggressive than others, but in my experience keeping both males (individually) and females (in sorority), it's best to not keep them with anything else. I've even had extremely aggressive female betta.

What's the point about fin nipping anyway? It causes stress to other fish, and opens up wounds prone to infection. A nip may not kill the other fish immediately, but the infection and stress will do them in.
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