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post #11 of 78 Old 02-02-2010, 07:50 PM
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See THAT is exactly the part that I don't feel comfy with neither!!!


The Gravel vac I have and what's on the Python they're the same size; getting the water out in the way I won't isn't my problem.....
My problem is carrying buckets WITH water and a busted knee that's been reconstructed 2x and well it just ain't getting better with he age you know

I see, so your gravel vac reaches the sink anyway. ?? I hate the bucket thing too and I am sorry about your knee. That is not a good thing to be doing over and over. I keep envisioning me slopping water all over the wood floor part in my process. Last night, I wanted to syphon just a little bit of water out of our 14 gallon...to get some leftoever algae wafer out of there. I set the small gallon jug on a chair and once I started to clean I forgot I did not have the 5 gallon bucket on the chair! All of a sudden I heard water spilling over. I was so disgusted with myself. I ended up having to do another gallon, so I should have just used the 5 gallon bucket to begin with.

If we had chlorine in our water, I would be on the fence as well and would have to have a lot of encouragement. I know that Byron does it and his fish and tanks look beautiful. I worry about things though as you can tell, so not sure what I would end up doing.
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NO, I mean the actual vacuum is the same size then the Python..I thoughts that's what you meant...bu that then runs into buckets lol (or on the floor dep on the kinda day I'm having lol)

Well like I tested the tap with 3 diff testers so far and it keeps coming back 0 on chlorine...but some days I can smell it just a lil, spc in the AM's when I first turn on the water...I just don't feel safe; I think I'll have to DIY something there....

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NO, I mean the actual vacuum is the same size then the Python..I thoughts that's what you meant...bu that then runs into buckets lol (or on the floor dep on the kinda day I'm having lol)

Well like I tested the tap with 3 diff testers so far and it keeps coming back 0 on chlorine...but some days I can smell it just a lil, spc in the AM's when I first turn on the water...I just don't feel safe; I think I'll have to DIY something there....

Well, if that is the case, the Python can relieve you of buckets for taking the water out!

I know what you mean about the test. Mine tested 0 too but I keep thinking that how do I know for sure. I don't think I smell anything. I am thinking that if yours is at least showing zero it may be so small of an amount that if you did put it directly in and squirted the conditioner it would probably be fine. I am going to get the courage to do it since mine is showing "0" and just squirt it in right as I do it. If mine was not showing zero I would need a lot of convincing.
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I'm tired of saying it, but...on larger tanks (50g and over) you are not going to do any harm to your fish if you start filling the tank with water direct from the tap and then squirt in the water conditioner within a minute. First, the fish are not so stupid as to deliberately swim into water they find poisonous; second, the water going into the tank begins to dissipate into the tank and in 20 or 30 seconds there won't be enough chlorine/chloramine in there to worry about; third, when you do squirt the conditioner it acts immediately.

If this wasn't the case, all my fish would be dead. I have done this for 15 years and except for the one time I forgot the conditioner, never the slightest indication of any problems. And the one time I forgot it, it was several minutes before I noticed the fish were having troubles, and upon squirting in conditioner then within minutes they calmed down. Proof that the conditioner works fast.

However, there is nothing wrong with any aquarist being overly-cautious. Do what you're comfortable doing; just realize that the problem is not there.

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I'm tired of saying it, but...
Then don't post it...

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I'm tired of saying it, but...on larger tanks (50g and over) you are not going to do any harm to your fish if you start filling the tank with water direct from the tap and then squirt in the water conditioner within a minute. First, the fish are not so stupid as to deliberately swim into water they find poisonous; second, the water going into the tank begins to dissipate into the tank and in 20 or 30 seconds there won't be enough chlorine/chloramine in there to worry about; third, when you do squirt the conditioner it acts immediately.

If this wasn't the case, all my fish would be dead. I have done this for 15 years and except for the one time I forgot the conditioner, never the slightest indication of any problems. And the one time I forgot it, it was several minutes before I noticed the fish were having troubles, and upon squirting in conditioner then within minutes they calmed down. Proof that the conditioner works fast.

However, there is nothing wrong with any aquarist being overly-cautious. Do what you're comfortable doing; just realize that the problem is not there.

Byron.
Thanks for posting this Byron. I for some reason missed the 50 gallon part and over when I was reviewing a thread on this that you posted in. I am definitely going to put the water back in directly especially since my water is testing 0 Chlorine. And you are right, your fish would be dead by now if there was a problem. Makes water chaning so much easier! I am glad this question was brought up again!

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Thanks for posting this Byron. I for some reason missed the 50 gallon part and over when I was reviewing a thread on this that you posted in. I am definitely going to put the water back in directly especially since my water is testing 0 Chlorine. And you are right, your fish would be dead by now if there was a problem. Makes water chaning so much easier! I am glad this question was brought up again!
One thing I missed, is that on smaller tanks all you need to do is squirt the conditioner in the tank before you start to refill. The conditioner works for 24 hours, or most probably do. I know Prime does, because I wrote to them and asked, and the response back was that the detoxification properties of Prime for heavy metals, ammonia, chlorine, etc., was "approximately 24 hours" after which it's effictiveness was probably gone.

My question to them was caused by wondering what effect these conditioners that remove heavy metals have on liquid fertilizers which of course contain heavy metals (iron, copper, nickel, whatever). Seachem recommended not using fertilizers for 24 hours after a pwc because they felt the water conditioner might detoxify these minerals in the tank and the fert would be wasted. They made the point that Prime only works on trace amounts, which is the normal amount of heavy metals likely in tap water. If for some reason the water was heavy with the minerals, Prime would not be effective.

This goes one further; if you used any copper-based medication (as most ich remedies are), Prime would nullify that, or might, depending upon the level of copper.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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Aha! So me using the Flourish in the 55g and I add that weekly AFTER the water exchange then makes absolutely no sense to do it. So rather wait till next day and then add it (I use Prime and Flourish on that tank).

See now, this is my homemade headache: On the 55g with the Barbs I'd prop do that (fill with tap water and squirt in the Prime). Now on the 45 with all the Cardinals & Emporer I donno.....And well on the 10g's with the shrimp def not, they'd drop dead before the tanks are full, but they're small so I can keep doing them by hand.


Another thought I had is to reuse the "Aqua bin" I have for random aquatic matters; fill it with the tap water & conditioner; use a lil pump (like these one's seen on little water fountains etc) and pump this treated water in top my tank. That way I eliminated the carrying (which is a must) AND the water is treated......Any thoughts?

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To answer some of the original questions. I'm not aware of any limits on the hose length. The LFS uses one that appears to be at least 100ft. You can also buy different faucet adaptors that the hose screws on to. I found a good one at Home Depot that screwed into the laundry tub faucet. But I used to use it on the kitchen faucet.
I also don't use Prime for the reasons mentioned above. The city water I use is pretty clean. I just want something to remove the chlorine, nothing else.
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Thanks WisFish...Actually never checked on the pluming section of the home store to see what I could make 'out of it'...neat idea, thank you.

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