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Old 12-26-2008, 12:29 AM   #21
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Iamntbatman made a very good point about species that are reef safe are not going to need the extra 100 gallons.
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Old 12-26-2008, 07:41 AM   #22
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i disagree.

price is going to be the biggest factor to stock the larger tank but tangs need ample swimming room. 1 tang should be in a MINIMUM 75 gallon tank and that can be even pushing it IMO. you can prob keep 2 (different shaped tangs because an odd number of similiar shaped ones will fight ) in a 125. anyways if you calculate the gallons you lose due to the space live rock takes up, the bio load of other fish and so forth you loose space. if you do use the 100 you'll prob. be able to have 1 tang. i went to a fish importers house less then a week ago and he has a $1000 pair of triggers in his reef ( one of the very few reef safe vierities ) and these guys are BIG. i doubt your going to go shell out 1000 for some fish but im just letting you know there are options. a group of chromis would look awesome schooling in the 200. keep in mind even with small fish on a reef your stocking options arnt the same as freshwater, you can put alot of fish but the object is to keep immaculate water conditions for corals to thrive. 200 gallons would be a more stable system esp. when running in sync with a sump. ( i say use the 200 as a display and the 100 as a sump ... kidding- but thats what i would do ) salt isnt as bad as everyone says, even if you go through a bucket a month thats $50 in maintnace. (my club does "group buys" everyone pools the order together and its cheaper, so you can buy a few buckets and have it ) i dont thinik your going to be changing 160 gallons a month even on the 200. ( if you changed 20 gallons a week on the 200 thats 80 gallons a month ) R/O water is what gets redic. as evaporation happens. when i make my RO i have the waiste line running into the washing machine so it doesnt all run down the drain. (my R0 is hooked to a sink in the laundry room) lighting is prob. going to be the biggest expense besides the tank itself, not to mention monthly electricity bills. again finding equipment for half price, even less then that from club members is your best bet. if you have patience, save money while researching, then slowly piece your tank together youll have an awesome set up for a fraction of what it COULD cost you. (for example live rock goes for about an average of $7/# at fish stores by me, i see it on my clubs forum all the time for $2-3/# ) regardless whichever route you choose whether it be the 100 or 200 you can have a nice little tank with that. my next upgrade should be a 100 well its like 87 something oddly numbered like that ( its a wierd tank ) i already have the tank so i cant wait its just that the move isnt going to happen for awhile.
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Old 12-26-2008, 08:32 AM   #23
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Batman-all good points and I agree 100%. OneFish-all good points and I agree 100%.
Which means I'm split down the middle 50/50. EVERYONE brings up great food for thought.

On salt: the key word that stuck out was "patience". Patience is not my strong suit but I'll heed the advice here. Join a reef club, slowly start assembling what I'll need and when the time comes to do the actual set up I can go either way depending on what I learn through detailed research.
The other key words were "trigger" & "tang". I love those fish!

On fresh: the key word is less expensive. The idea of having a massive planted tank is very alluring. I love plants & gardening. I enjoy cutting, pruning, fertilizing. After living in the same home for 14 years I have zero space in the yards or flower beds for anything new. I'm maxed out on open growing space & if I desire something new I've got to rip out something and replace it. In the winter there isn't a whole lot of outside "fun"gardening chores which is why I love being able to garden "inside" year round.
Having two large tanks justifies pressurized Co2. If I go fresh I can start set up anytime since I know how to do that, thereby eliminating patience!

I'm truly going to take my time making this decision...much more so than I did about adding a second dog, then a cat to my family...
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Old 12-26-2008, 12:04 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by aunt kymmie View Post
I'm truly going to take my time making this decision...much more so than I did about adding a second dog, then a cat to my family...

I think that's very wise... I guess either way you go, (A) its a significant expense that you're about to undertake, and (B) once you get it set up, you'll presumably have it got a long time, so you might as well be sure you get something you really want!

As far as saltwater goes, I think you've got the right idea to make a list of all the equipment you need (we can help with that!), then price it, and look at what your overall price will be. Monthly/re-curring costs won't be much of a concern, though if you plan to keep corals, a rigorous maintenance practice will be necessary depending on how much automated equipment you purchase up-front.

I think most trigger fish will eat invertebrates (snails, shrimp, crabs, etc..), which are usually integral parts of a reef setup. So even if the triggers leave corals themselves alone, they will probably eat your cleanup crew! Though I'm not an expert on individual species, as onefish2fish said there are likely exceptions if you look hard enough (and pay enough). You can certainly find tangs that can live in a reef setup, I've seen many tank threads and pics of beautiful reef tanks with a variety of tangs swimming around.
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Old 12-26-2008, 12:42 PM   #25
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One more thing to think about for me. Besides the expense I forgot to ask how much *time* one spends on the weekly maintenance of salt. One of the things (the biggest thing) the boyfriend complains about it is the actual time I spend futzing with tank I have now and not him! I spend about 15 minutes in the am feeding, wiping down the tank, etc. and another 15 minutes in the pm. The weekly water change takes me about two hours. It ends up being two hours as I actually enjoy doing it and have a tendency to prolong the process. He thinks two hours is "ridiculous" and a "waste" of time. Compared to FW how is SW "time wise"??
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Old 12-26-2008, 01:57 PM   #26
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well its all about whether or not you keep corals, and even then what KIND of corals (some are more difficult than others, I think). Let it be said I don't keep corals myself, so I'm not the expert on that, but I feel pretty confident that reef tanks require more maintenance than a FOWLR.

However, I think the additional overhead is more daily addition of supplements, not so much frequent multi-hour efforts. You can buy equipment like calcium reactors and auto-topoff units to help reduce the manual effort, but not eliminate it.

Water changes in SW are a bit more of a pain, because you have to pre-mix the new saltwater and let it sit somewhere for a day or two before you do the actual water change. With a huge tank like a 200 gal, you might end up with multiple plastic trashcans full of water, and have to lug/drag them around, depending on how efficient and creative you are with your water change routine.
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Old 12-26-2008, 04:00 PM   #27
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What I meant by agreeing with Iamntbatman is that if you wanted to put a certain fish in the tank, for example a tang, the 100 gallon will be big enough for it. The 200 gallon would of course give it more room, and be able to hold more fish, but your fish choices wouldn't open up to more species. The guy at my local reef store say that it is not until you get above 500 gallons that new species open up, including some sharks, eel, and octipi. I am going by what I have been told though, I have no hands on experience in this department.
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Old 12-27-2008, 06:49 PM   #28
If you like the tangs, 200 will be better for the reef.
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Old 12-28-2008, 01:59 PM   #29
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congrats on the 200
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Old 12-28-2008, 04:36 PM   #30
Hey Kymmie, I noticed that you like Triggers and Tangs. If you do go reef, you cannot keep any Triggers. They will eat and attack any inverts, and nip at corals.

And I would say most types of Tangs would be great choices here. Hippo, Yellow, Kole, Blue, Naso, even Gem... just be careful when mixing the body shapes. IE, you will be able to keep a Blue, Yellow, and Kole together because they all look different. Blues, Hippos, and Nasos all look similar, and get pretty big (not that the size matters here, lol).

Good luck with the tank.
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