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post #21 of 31 Old 04-06-2011, 10:30 AM Thread Starter
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But a betta also needs a heater tho, so be very careful if the tank is plastic/acrylic.
It is plastic or acrylic (I don't know which). If I ask at Petsmart or Petco for a heater that is safe for those materials, will that work...?
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I wasnt too interested in it till I clicked the link and it actually looks pretty cool.

And honestly, anybody would rather answer any question than see another "help, all my fish died, pet store employee said it was ok" thread, so ask away.
Thank you :) Your avatar is hilarious! :D
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I agree with everything that has been said about bettas. I wasn't to into them either until I got one and now I want more haha. They are pretty active fish and have great personalities when kept in a big enough tank. If you check out this link of my betta you'll see what I mean kind of.

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/b...-school-65629/

About plants I'd say just buy a couple that are relatively low maintenance and see how they do. If you buy some Seachems Comprehensive plant supplement and have good lighting chances are they will do pretty well.

Also using water from your turtle tank to help cycle won't really do much. The good bacteria lives on surfaces of the rocks, glass, filter etc. There's not anything beneficial in the water of an established aquarium.
Could I use some rocks from the turtle tank, then? Or even a plant?

I'm reading your thread about fish training... it makes me giggle but it's something I've also already thought about--although for my turtle instead. I clicker train my dogs and cats and have been pondering whether the right pitch beep or something would work as a clicker for a turtle. Training fish through classical conditioning makes perfect sense... most of them come to the front of the tank, expecting food, when they see people, don't they?
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I refer to them both as the same as I'm assuming acrylic is a form of plastic... and usually are not considered safe to put a heater in, meaning the tank's side could melt if it gets too hot. So I'm saying almost all fish need a regulated heat, except that minnow apparently which is poss a cold water fish, and to use caution. Yes talk to them but expect issues. If you buy one, get a very small one, and make sure that it in no way comes close to the sides of the tank, i.e. suction cups and check it frequently using a thermometer until you trust the temperature against the side of the aquarium. Just be very cautious. Let us know what they say.

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Agree with everything mentioned. If you wanted, you could take some gravel or filter media from your turtle tank, and that would help... Or set up the tank, run it, and rinse off the turtle's filter media in the tank right before you add something small... Adding a teaspoon of sugar when you add the 'junk' from the filter will help kick-start it as well.


Do you know the Ph of your water? I would base the decision around that.

There are a LOT of fish that will fit, but many will have to be specially ordered. (petco or pet supplies plus can order them, but they're fairly tiny...)

You could even have a nice little teeny community tank-

6-8 of one of these:
Bororas merah( Dwarf Clown Rasbora, Phoenix Rasbora)
Bororas urophthalmoides( Exclamation Point Rasbora, Sparrow Rasbora)
Bororas brigitte(Dwarf Redfin Rasbora, Chili Rasbora)
Celestichthys margaritatus (celestial pearl danio)
ember tetra (Hyphessobrycon amandae)
Pristella tetra (Pristella maxillaris)

and 3-5 of one of these:

Dwarf Chain Loach (Yasuhikotakia sidthimunki)
Pygmy Cory (Corydoras pygmaeus)

and probably some shrimp, too... Perhaps about 5-6 cherries... If you like centerpiece fish, you could even do the minimums and add a dwarf coral platy as your centerpiece fish... It'd be the largest one, at a whopping size of 1.5 inches.

The flourescent light would do well with live plants, which would also help reduce the need for a 'cycle', since they use ammonia as one of their nutrients.
I LOVE the teeny tiny community idea! That might be exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for :) I will start researching all of those fish. Something that I could have 6 or so of that would school, and then three or so of something else, and some shrimp... that would be just about perfect :)

I don't know the Ph of the water. How do I find that out?
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Could I use some rocks from the turtle tank, then? Or even a plant?

I'm reading your thread about fish training... it makes me giggle but it's something I've also already thought about--although for my turtle instead. I clicker train my dogs and cats and have been pondering whether the right pitch beep or something would work as a clicker for a turtle. Training fish through classical conditioning makes perfect sense... most of them come to the front of the tank, expecting food, when they see people, don't they?
Its quite the opposite with fish, youll learn they train you to feed them. Dwarf puffers are the worst Ive seen, you cant resist their goofy face and any time you get near the tank they look at you like they havent eaten in weeks.

Some Paedocypris would make a pretty cool looking tank but Im pretty sure they wouldnt be sold anywhere.
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Could I use some rocks from the turtle tank, then? Or even a plant?

I'm reading your thread about fish training... it makes me giggle but it's something I've also already thought about--although for my turtle instead. I clicker train my dogs and cats and have been pondering whether the right pitch beep or something would work as a clicker for a turtle. Training fish through classical conditioning makes perfect sense... most of them come to the front of the tank, expecting food, when they see people, don't they?
Rocks and plants would be a very good way to seed the aquarium. It wouldn't make it so you have to skip the cycle it'll just help move it along quicker.

And yes, fish definitely know who feeds them. For training my betta food has been a great motivator.
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post #28 of 31 Old 04-08-2011, 03:42 PM
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I don't intend to hi-jack the thread, but I've also been thinking of getting one of these tanks. I've had a 5.5 gallon tank in my office for a while, and want something a little bigger, but am looking at being moved into a _smaller_ office in the near future. This looks like just about the only way to put a useable tank with any more capacity in the office.

I was pondering the heater issue, and here is one to ponder. I've never used it, just stumbled across it:
Aquarium Heaters & Water Temperature: Mini Aquarium Heaters

I love the idea of micro or nano fish, and these are the species I've been thinking of ordering:
Boraras Micros - article and info |
Boraras Merah - article and info |

OR, a couple of these guys:
Trichopsos pumilis - article and info |

...and
that shows several "nano" fish species next to ottocinclus. This give a good idea of relative size if you know how small ottos are.

I've never had an acrylic aquarium before, only glass, but the dimensions of this one are a real plus. I've also never kept any of the nano-fish species, but do have a long-running 55 gallon planted tank at home. If you want a super-easy plant, look for Java Fern. It grows very slowly, but it's hard to kill, and pretty much nothing eats it. Java fern would also not require any extra special lighting. I would love to hear anyone else's experience with this aquarium as well, or with these small fish.

Are acrylic aquariums as easy to scratch as I fear they are? How hard is it to clean one? Can I still use a magnetic algae scraper on one?
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post #29 of 31 Old 04-08-2011, 04:25 PM
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What a great little heater idea!! Never seen one like that before. Wonder if we can find them in Canada! thanks for the link.

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post #30 of 31 Old 04-08-2011, 06:05 PM
celticchrys, great post! The videos were awesome and I think I enjoyed the music as much as the fish in each haha. That completely opened up my eyes towards nano species. Thanks for posting that.
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