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Bolivian Ram or Blue Gourami with GBR??
Old 05-04-2012, 09:38 PM   #1
 
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Bolivian Ram or Blue Gourami with GBR??


I'm down to one male German Ram in my well planted 30 gallon tank. I'm wondering if I don't get another female ... would anyone suggest me moving my female Opaline Gourami over to this tank, or my Bolivian Ram (not sure of the sex)???

The other option is I buy another female GBR, but he would not have "picked" her, so I'm not sure.

I'm open to other fish selections. I'm keeping the temp at 83 degrees and the ph is 6.3

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Old 05-04-2012, 10:47 PM   #2
 
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Sorry to hear you lost a ram.. I have no luck with them either. :/

I'm no expert by any means, but just looking at temp requirements, I don't think a Bolivian Ram should be kept with a Blue Ram. I think Bolivian Rams like water much cooler and not really above 80 degrees, although some placed I've read even 80 is pushing it.

I've always been scared to try adding a female, especially since I got a pair (not know you should wait to see if they "picked" each other) and the male picked on the female until she starved herself and died of stress. I didn't know what was going on until it was too late -- I felt terrible!

I think the gourami and ram should be fine together, but I've never tried it and am not very familiar with gourami so don't take my word for it. :) Just wanted to reply to point out the temp differences between the two rams.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:04 AM   #3
 
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Sorry to hear you lost a ram.. I have no luck with them either. :/

I'm no expert by any means, but just looking at temp requirements, I don't think a Bolivian Ram should be kept with a Blue Ram. I think Bolivian Rams like water much cooler and not really above 80 degrees, although some placed I've read even 80 is pushing it.

I've always been scared to try adding a female, especially since I got a pair (not know you should wait to see if they "picked" each other) and the male picked on the female until she starved herself and died of stress. I didn't know what was going on until it was too late -- I felt terrible!

I think the gourami and ram should be fine together, but I've never tried it and am not very familiar with gourami so don't take my word for it. :) Just wanted to reply to point out the temp differences between the two rams.

Thanks, you're right. I didn't look at the profiles first, and it looks like the Gourami can handle the warmer temps. I just don't think I'll try another female GBR. My male has been hearty. My first pair where I believe I had a bonded pair, I lost the male. I've not since gotten two at the same time, and this male seemed to have bonded with a female I had bought, because they spawned a number of times. I'm pretty sure he did kill her though. I think I'm going to go ahead and move the Gourami over to that tank. Thanks!

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Old 05-05-2012, 08:52 AM   #4
 
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I agree. First, because of temperature, the 82F for the Blue Ram might be tolerated by the Bolivian but is above the high end (profile gives 80F) and this means the Bolivian will be working much harder just to live, and that adds stress and shortens its life. As explained in my article on stress. And before anyone mentions it, yes, the profile notes a temp of 81F for the habitat, but one must remember this was only one day when the temp was taken, and in all parts of Amazonia the temperature varies considerably more than some realize, within each 24 hours by a few degrees but also seasonally.

Second, a 30g is not sufficient space for more than one cichlid species. There is simply not sufficient room for either to get out of the other's way. I have had issues with this in a 4-foot tank, resulting in the early demise of one of the cichlids. The continual stress is not good for either fish. One must bear in mind that in nature, these species never come across other cichlid species.

I've previously commented on pairing the rams. In this case, having a male and wanting to find a compatible female, the only way to do so would be to place the male in with a group of females (in another tank) and wait for him to bond with one of them, then move the bonded pair back into the tank. Otherwise, it is only taking a risk with both fish, he will be stressed by her, and she will be severely stressed and weakened and possibly killed by him. I had this occur with Bolivians.

While the Gourami generally is not recommended with cichlids, that is primarily due to the territorial/aggressive side of males, so in this case your female might be fine. I would try it.

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Old 05-05-2012, 09:33 AM   #5
 
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I cautiously stick my toe in the water here and say that there are many examples in "fishdom" of males killing their mates for not being willing or ready to breed. Equally, there are many examples of the breeding instinct providing the only bonding necessary (no matter the species). I don't see any problem with adding the gourami to the ram's tank. The males may be aggressive but, they're aggressive for a gourami. A tough little dwarf cichlid should be able to more than hold his own. I assume that these will not be the only fish in the tank. I have three blue gourami in a 30 gallon with much smaller fish and have had no problems. At first, there was a pecking order among the gourami but, even that has subsided greatly over a few months. Best of luck.
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:33 PM   #6
 
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I cautiously stick my toe in the water here and say that there are many examples in "fishdom" of males killing their mates for not being willing or ready to breed. Equally, there are many examples of the breeding instinct providing the only bonding necessary (no matter the species). I don't see any problem with adding the gourami to the ram's tank. The males may be aggressive but, they're aggressive for a gourami. A tough little dwarf cichlid should be able to more than hold his own. I assume that these will not be the only fish in the tank. I have three blue gourami in a 30 gallon with much smaller fish and have had no problems. At first, there was a pecking order among the gourami but, even that has subsided greatly over a few months. Best of luck.
I'm keeping this tank very minimally stocked at this time. So, yes, if I add the female Gourami, it would be just her and my male German Ram.

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Old 05-06-2012, 05:46 PM   #7
 
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I'm keeping this tank very minimally stocked at this time. So, yes, if I add the female Gourami, it would be just her and my male German Ram.

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I think it should be fine. Your tanks are well planted and these fish really don't have any real common interests insofar as territory or habits are concerned.It definitely should not be a situation where one is hunting down the other to bully.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:26 PM   #8
 
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Yesterday, I put my large female Opaline Gourami in the tank with my "little" male GBR. She looks so big, in comparison to him.

The Opaline, clearly is not as comfortable in her new digs. I feel kind of bad, but that tank is now a jungle of plants, and getting her out, won't be easy. She came out to eat, and gobbled much food. Sadly, though she stays hidden, and so does the GBR :(

I notice the Gourami mildly chase the Ram, but very rarely. They both seem to lay low. The Ram used to swim eagerly to the glass when he saw me, now he takes awhile to do so.

What are you guys' thoughts about how long I should give them to acclimate? If they aren't swimming more openly in a few days, should I put the Gourami back in the first tank? Have you all seen this type of behavior?

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Old 05-08-2012, 09:29 PM   #9
 
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It is new to both of them so give it a week and then make changes if it is still behaving like that.
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Old 05-09-2012, 07:12 AM   #10
 
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I agree with Tazman.
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