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Old 02-19-2011, 12:22 PM   #11
 
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I have actually decided on what i want to do with a couple 10 gallon tanks.

1st is DPs, 2-3 Dwarf Puffers, heavy planted, I'm going to use plants that would be found in the India/Sri Lanka region, sand and red gravel, Maybe some Bamboo Plant, Blyxa japonica and Giant Hygrophia, Nomaphila stricta? Is this hard to find? Should I use a substrate to help the plants since it will be heavily planted?

2nd tank, I still have a lot of research to do, but i was thinking bee shrimp and crystal red shrimp, with heavy planted aquarium, a lot of moss. Could i put snails in with the shrimp? What would be a good snail to breed for my DPs?

3rd I want to do a tank with Bumble Bee Gobbies, I don't know if i should use a 30 for a brackish type Tank, or if i should do a smaller tank or even the 30 with BBGs only?

Well, the name Nomaphila stricta is new to me, so I had to do some research. And, I got conflicting info, on two dis-similar plants. There is a purple-tinted plant native to the USA under this name. But also I found it is a synonym for Hygrophila stricta, and the plant authority Karen Randall says this is actually Hygrophila corymbosa. When I looked this up in Kasselmann, sure enough she lists Nomaphila stricta as a synonym of H. corymbosa. Both authors mention that there are several leaf form varieties around. This plant is in our profiles, so no need to say more; here's the direct link:
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Blyxa japonica has mixed reviews; many say it is demanding, or will not be as "good" without intense light, CO2, nutrient fertilization. It apparently is a favourite of Mr. Amano, so that says something about its needs to look like it does in his aquascapes. If you mean the true dwarf puffer as the fish, the freshwater beauty, I would avoid this plant; dwarf puffers like less overhead light, they live in sluggish ponds with thick vegetation and under cover of floating vegetation and branches. Crypts would work fine with this, and for "grassy" look I would go with my old favourite the pygmy chain sword--unless you want to be fully authentic in geography. Cryptocoryne parva then, also in our profile (click shaded name).

With substrate-rooted plants like crypts, a nice substrate would be Seachem's Flourite in the red or brown. CarribSea also makes Eco-complete in a red (as well as the more common black). Either would replicate the irony-red appearance of Sri Lankan streams, and provide most of the nutrients for crypts. With floating plants, crypts should do very well in such a setup.

Tanks with shrimp will presumably have harder water for the calcium they need, so here Vallisneria works ideally. Corkscrew Vallisneria remains small enough for a 10g. This plant does much better in harder basic water, much better.

Gobies are outside my experience. But in brackish water, if it is mildly so, Java Fern does well, Vallisneria should, and there are some others i can't remember at the moment; I believe redchigh mentioned some the other day in another thread.

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Old 02-19-2011, 12:33 PM   #12
 
Thanks for the info, lots of help, I still have lots of research before i jump in, I'm new to planted tanks so it's a bit overwhelming as far as finding the plants and then once i get them to aqua scape it into a beautiful set up.

I'm a little confused about the process of starting the planted tank up, I want to fishless cycle, do i need to cycle the tank before i add the plants or before? Once i get the plants in there how long can I wait before i put the fish in there?

For the shrimp tank, I'm really wanting to do a carpeting effect with the moss, do you know of any good resources of how to pull this off, I really like the moss, but i want to have ways of seperating the huge amounts of green. I'm not sure where to buy wood to put in the tank to have the moss grow up it but i think that would be cool as well.
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:38 PM   #13
 
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Thanks for the info, lots of help, I still have lots of research before i jump in, I'm new to planted tanks so it's a bit overwhelming as far as finding the plants and then once i get them to aqua scape it into a beautiful set up.

I'm a little confused about the process of starting the planted tank up, I want to fishless cycle, do i need to cycle the tank before i add the plants or before? Once i get the plants in there how long can I wait before i put the fish in there?

For the shrimp tank, I'm really wanting to do a carpeting effect with the moss, do you know of any good resources of how to pull this off, I really like the moss, but i want to have ways of seperating the huge amounts of green. I'm not sure where to buy wood to put in the tank to have the moss grow up it but i think that would be cool as well.
If you plant heavy enough you don't have to cycle since the plants will use all the ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites that the fish give off as fertlizer for themselves
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:43 PM   #14
 
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If you plant heavy enough you don't have to cycle since the plants will use all the ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites that the fish give off as fertlizer for themselves
Are you sure about that for the Dwarf Puffers? If so then you are saying plant the tank heavy then wait how long? Then add the puffers?
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:53 PM   #15
 
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Thanks for the info, lots of help, I still have lots of research before i jump in, I'm new to planted tanks so it's a bit overwhelming as far as finding the plants and then once i get them to aqua scape it into a beautiful set up.

I'm a little confused about the process of starting the planted tank up, I want to fishless cycle, do i need to cycle the tank before i add the plants or before? Once i get the plants in there how long can I wait before i put the fish in there?

For the shrimp tank, I'm really wanting to do a carpeting effect with the moss, do you know of any good resources of how to pull this off, I really like the moss, but i want to have ways of seperating the huge amounts of green. I'm not sure where to buy wood to put in the tank to have the moss grow up it but i think that would be cool as well.
As amazon21 correctly said, with live plants there is basically no cycle. Or to be more accurate, there is a cycle (all new tanks have to establish the nitrifying bacteria) but it is simply so small as to be undetectable with our test kits. I have set up dozens of new tanks with live plants and added fish on day 1, and I have never had ammonia or nitrite above zero on test kits. As long as you plant the tank, condition the water, then add some fish (the same day is fine), just don't overload the fish. There can't be more fish than the plants can handle. But plants assimilate a lot of ammonia (as ammonium). And if acidic water is involved, the ammonia automatically changes to ammonium (harmless) anyway. In basic water the plants can change the ammonia to ammonium and assimilate it.

As long as the water is not overly hard, moss will do fine. It will readily attach to wood. My wood i buy from the fish store. I know it is expensive, more than picking up wood outside in streams or somewhere, but it is safer. When I do this, I prefer wood that is in a fish tank, as it will have leeched out most of its tannins and save me having to boil it or soak it or wait it out with yellow/brownish water. Also, sometimes moss will be attached, so you have a head start. Putting it in a tank of warm (normal aquarium) water with no fish for a week will ensure no ich is present, sort of quarantining the wood.
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Old 02-19-2011, 03:27 PM   #16
 
You guys are great, i'm learning so much between you guys and researching myself!
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Old 02-19-2011, 04:54 PM   #17
 
Question though, i looked of the Flourite Red, but they don't have a red sand, my concern is for the DPs? I heard to use sand vs the gravel. I've also heard it doesn't matter that much, so what is your opinion/experiences with this?

Byron would could i find info for a shrimp tank that would be geographicish? Or should I just do whatever with that one? I want the carpeting of moss for sure. Would that fit in with the shrimp as far as a realistic place you would find shrimp?
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:57 AM   #18
 
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Question though, i looked of the Flourite Red, but they don't have a red sand, my concern is for the DPs? I heard to use sand vs the gravel. I've also heard it doesn't matter that much, so what is your opinion/experiences with this?

Byron would could i find info for a shrimp tank that would be geographicish? Or should I just do whatever with that one? I want the carpeting of moss for sure. Would that fit in with the shrimp as far as a realistic place you would find shrimp?
I did a scan of the dwarf puffer site and they mention sand or gravel is fine. Given the sensitivity of puffers to water conditions, requiring weekly 50% changes, small gravel would probably be better. Less chance of compaction, easier to clean, etc.

I don't know about the red Flourite, but the black (which I have seen) is quite small. Not true sand, but very small grains. If the red is the same, it will look close to sand.

Can't help you on the shrimp.
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