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post #11 of 18 Old 06-27-2012, 06:58 AM
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The stress from a cycle combined with the stress of incorrect living conditions would make the fish very susceptible to disease and would simply complicate the situation. With enough live plants, it would not be a problem to add six schooling fish. But if the OP doesn't want to, then male platy or swordtail would be a better idea. Adding males and females will result in babies and contribute to the ammonia levels.

Two or three small fish in 30 or 33 gallons, with careful every other day feeding's (tiny amount) would not produce ammonia level's at stressful or toxic level's unless the fish are over fed, or too many are added at once.(done it many many times)
Add two or three small tetra's such as those you mentioned (good choices), or platy's, and after ten to fourteen day's ,one can add another two or three small fish, and so on with ten day's between new fish and not too many at once.
On second thought,,the Pristella tetra's would be better choice than the platy's unless the water is hard alkaline in which case the platy's would be fine.
Even if they were to produce young,the tiny fry would not create much ammonia but often encourages people to over feed.
Is a shame the OP expressed no interest in plant's but they aren't mandatory.

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post #12 of 18 Old 06-27-2012, 07:05 AM Thread Starter
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I'll be adding plants (And anything else that generically adds to the water conditions and fishes comfort), and probably 3 Cherry Barbs, as they were some of the fish I intended to keep to begin with.

Some time ago I came across something called a 'Water Cleaner' - it is supposed to reduce the ammonia and Nitrite levels (I'm going to presume that this came mess up the cycling process and probably doesn't work to begin with,) - anyone ever used this before? - I doubt I will, but I am still somewhat curious. (Hate adding any unneeded chemicals)
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I'll be adding plants (And anything else that generically adds to the water conditions and fishes comfort), and probably 3 Cherry Barbs, as they were some of the fish I intended to keep to begin with.

Some time ago I came across something called a 'Water Cleaner' - it is supposed to reduce the ammonia and Nitrite levels (I'm going to presume that this came mess up the cycling process and probably doesn't work to begin with,) - anyone ever used this before? - I doubt I will, but I am still somewhat curious. (Hate adding any unneeded chemicals)
I will add my experience here, though the fish I will say I used is not suggested in the profiles here for in-fish cycling.

I incorrectly understood the cycling process, got 2 Mollies (Male/Female) and placed them in the tank. I then also got another molly due to aggression and chasing. I have three mollies in the tank. The water parameters have slowly climbed with the ammonia. Although the fish are still doing just fine, I felt guilty enough after watching my black molly gills silver a bit. The conditions though I would argue are not too terrible as the one is giving birth (Granted I do not know if fish can feel ammonia AND adjust whether they feel they should give birth).

Needless to say I have moved them all to a secondary tank (Again not cycled) but in hopes that my cycle process should be done soon and they can return to their initial home. Things that are helping them are live plants, and some ammonia diffusion products, though these may be also why my tank has yet to cycle now after 8 weeks :), but something you may wish to consider in your tank if you choose to cycle with fish.

This is with regular water changes for the fish, and some relatively frequently checking of levels (Gotta see if the tank is cycling obviously! :D)

Not saying a pro/con, and just filling you in on some information to help with your decision =), on that note, how long should an in-fish or non-in-fish cycle take?

10 Gallon Tank - Starting Small! Planning to upgrade when I move out of my apartment!
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1 - Dalmatian Lyretail Mollly (M)
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I'll be adding plants (And anything else that generically adds to the water conditions and fishes comfort), and probably 3 Cherry Barbs, as they were some of the fish I intended to keep to begin with.

Some time ago I came across something called a 'Water Cleaner' - it is supposed to reduce the ammonia and Nitrite levels (I'm going to presume that this came mess up the cycling process and probably doesn't work to begin with,) - anyone ever used this before? - I doubt I will, but I am still somewhat curious. (Hate adding any unneeded chemicals)
Live plant's would be your best bet.(Pennywort,watersprite,anacharis)
They, (plant's) consume ammonia at a rate suggested to be ten times faster than the conversion of ammonia to nitrites,to nitrates.(Tank will still cycle)
Cherry barb's would be good choice but no more than cthree to begin with as mentioned above.
Feed the fishes tiny amount as mentioned ,once every other day and you should have no problem's.
Weekly 35 to 50 percent water change should be the norm for duration of tank's life.
Water conditioner such as PRIME would be good choice.
Do not replace filter material or clean it for the next four to five week's unless water flow becomes restricted which would indicate overfeeding.(only clean filter material in old aquarium water, or dechlorinated water).
As to chemical's ,bacterial supplement's,etc, mileage vary's with these product's and they don't work well for everybody.
Thing's will be much easier with just plant's,water conditioner,and tapwater.

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post #15 of 18 Old 06-27-2012, 09:27 AM
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how do u do that i just set my tank up theres no fish yet but what cycling

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how do u do that i just set my tank up theres no fish yet but what cycling
You should read one of the top threads in Freshwater Aquariums called Cycling a tank, or something with the word cycling in it.Not sure what its called.

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Two or three small fish in 30 or 33 gallons, with careful every other day feeding's (tiny amount) would not produce ammonia level's at stressful or toxic level's unless the fish are over fed, or too many are added at once.(done it many many times)
Add two or three small tetra's such as those you mentioned (good choices), or platy's, and after ten to fourteen day's ,one can add another two or three small fish, and so on with ten day's between new fish and not too many at once.
On second thought,,the Pristella tetra's would be better choice than the platy's.
From what I observed so far, I agree with this. The Pristella Tetra Has been a real sturdy lil fish for me. And as much as I love plattys, They don't seem to be near as resilient. (maybe it's my water, so results may be different) I suspect bloodfins (which I also have) are at equally as sturdy...But I am more partial to the Pristellas I have to admit. And the above method also worked for me in a partially cycled tank when I added them.

And I don't care for Danios either, so I understand the op wanting to do something else :)
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I'll be adding plants (And anything else that generically adds to the water conditions and fishes comfort), and probably 3 Cherry Barbs, as they were some of the fish I intended to keep to begin with.

Some time ago I came across something called a 'Water Cleaner' - it is supposed to reduce the ammonia and Nitrite levels (I'm going to presume that this came mess up the cycling process and probably doesn't work to begin with,) - anyone ever used this before? - I doubt I will, but I am still somewhat curious. (Hate adding any unneeded chemicals)
I won't bog this down with more on the fish-in cycling issue as you seem to be going with live plants now. But i will just say that no matter what fish you have in a new tank, any ammonia or nitrite above zero will affect the fish's physiology to some degree. Now, it may only be stress that dissipates, such as when the water volume is sufficient to dilute the ammonia considerably. But internal damage can be permanent from ammonia or nitrite, and while the fish may appear to survive, the damage has been done. A shorter lifespan always results from this, but additional health issues and even sooner demise may occur.

Put live plants in at the beginning, and make sure some are fast-growing such as stem plants or better yet floating plants. A few fish with these will be fine. You will not detect a cycle as such, meaning that ammonia and nitrite tests will be zero; the plants use the ammonia, and while some will still get grabbed by the establishing bacteria the test kits we use are not sophisticated enough to detect such low levels, and the toxins are in the water only as long as it takes for the plants or the bacteria to grab them.

Now to this chemical water cleaner substance. If you can post the actual brand name i may be able to offer more, but assuming this is basically similar to products that allegedly "remove organics" and thus eliminate ammonia, or "replace water changes" and such nonsense, they are not good. Anything that interferes with natural bacteria should be avoided. The fewer substances going into a fish tank, the healthier will be the tank and thus the fish.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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