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post #11 of 24 Old 09-23-2010, 09:08 AM
Its def a blue gourami, looks just like the first one in the fish profile here. Two completely uncompatablefish. the 20 gallon may work for a little while for the gourami but your goldfish looks like its getting to the size when a new tank needs to be seriously considered. The gourami's sluggish behavior is probably due to low temps and the goldfish's behavior is due to high temps. Your water is probably in the low 70's or high 60's, am I right?
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post #12 of 24 Old 09-23-2010, 09:21 AM Thread Starter
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Will check the temperature tonight. You're probably right about it being too cold (we're in northeast).

These two fish (together without any other fish) have survived in previous owner's tank for ~3 years. I do however believe that the overall temperature there was higher... and the tank was 30 or 40 gallons...

I am reading up on cycling (as I am completely new to all of this). So far I've been partially changing water about 2-3 weeks and doing a full refill about monthly. I use something for chlorine and for ammonia and let the water stand in buckets for at least 24 hrs before using it.

Any suggestions are appreciated!
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post #13 of 24 Old 09-23-2010, 09:28 AM
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I agree the goldfish needs a bigger tank. His insides will continue to grow even if his body doesn't which can lead to a shorter life and painful death. Just imagine if your body stayed the size of say a 5 year old but all your internal organs kept growing that what happens when fish are kept in containers to small for them. Even if they did live together in the previous owners tank it does not mean they were happy.
Just wanted to add completely removeing all the water is not a good thing once the tank cycles it can cause it to cycle again. You should remove 20-30% water once a week while you vacum the gravel with a gravel vacum these can be bought pretty cheap at petsmart or walmart. You also will need an API master tester kit so that you can test your water to see when the tank has cycled.

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post #14 of 24 Old 09-23-2010, 11:50 AM
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I agree with Amanda on all points.

Yes, the fish in the first post was a barb as 1077 correctly said, but the photo in photobucket is a blue gourami as subsequently identified. This could be the centrepiece for a nice tropical tank. But the goldfish is not suitable in such a small tank, so I would seriously attempt to have it re-homed--another aquarist, or someone with a garden pond, goldfish can live happily year-round in a pond even when it freezes over (so long as it doesn't freeze solid), or a store.

Water changes should be done weekly, once a week, and the volume depends upon stocking and if there are live plants. Won't get into all this until we know more what you plan.

And a belated welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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I might even do a partial water change more than once a week until someone finds a new home. That's a good amount of biomass for a small tank and goldfish are notoriously messy. But that's just me.

Didn't mean to snap at you earlier 1077.

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I might even do a partial water change more than once a week until someone finds a new home. That's a good amount of biomass for a small tank and goldfish are notoriously messy. But that's just me.

Didn't mean to snap at you earlier 1077.



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post #17 of 24 Old 09-27-2010, 08:50 AM Thread Starter
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Its def a blue gourami, looks just like the first one in the fish profile here. Two completely uncompatablefish. the 20 gallon may work for a little while for the gourami but your goldfish looks like its getting to the size when a new tank needs to be seriously considered. The gourami's sluggish behavior is probably due to low temps and the goldfish's behavior is due to high temps. Your water is probably in the low 70's or high 60's, am I right?

The water seems to be 74. What should I set the heater to?
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post #18 of 24 Old 09-27-2010, 12:08 PM
74 is ok for goldfish, bad for gourami. Gourami, according ot the profile here like 75-83, in my experience, they do best between 78-82. However, 78 is high for goldfish. It might be best to try 75 or 76 and see how they respond to the change.
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74 is ok for goldfish, bad for gourami. Gourami, according ot the profile here like 75-83, in my experience, they do best between 78-82. However, 78 is high for goldfish. It might be best to try 75 or 76 and see how they respond to the change.
Thanks! I'm also going to buy some real plants (and remove the plastic one I have there; as well as put "natural" instead of painted gravel...
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post #20 of 24 Old 09-27-2010, 04:21 PM
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That sounds like a good place to start. I'd make sure you check your water params pretty regularly too. pH, nitrates, etc. In a tank that size, the goldfish is going to make a pretty big mess as I already indicated.

30g SE Asian Tank
15 Lambchop Rasbora
2 Gold White Cloud Minnows
3 Dwarf Chain Loaches
2 Powder Blue Dwarf Gourami

55g Amazon Tank
2 Wild Type Angels
1 Marble Angel
1 Black Angel
1 Koi Angel
2 Bolivian Rams
14 Pristella Tetra
10 Dwarf Pencilfish
2-3 Twig Catfish (to come)
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