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post #11 of 17 Old 03-29-2013, 11:41 PM
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you are correct, those are all for the most part slow growers (the ones you mentioned) when u go to the fishstore to get a plant or two ask for a hardy adaptable stem plant hopefully they will point you in the right direction at the store.
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post #12 of 17 Old 03-30-2013, 08:21 AM
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LFS is probably best for expediency but going in with a little knowledge of your own can be helpful. You may have already discovered this but under the Tropical Fish logo is a link to "Tropical Fish Profiles". On that page (scroll down) is a "Freshwater Plants" section and a sub-section titled "Stems". Several of those listed are common in many LFS.
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post #13 of 17 Old 03-30-2013, 09:38 AM
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reversal of the rites to rates oops!
Then there is really nothing to worry about or to do.

During cycling plants consume any unreduced ammonia and forego nitrates. So nitrAtes can and usually will initially bump up to 20pm or so.

Then as the aerobic bacteria "catch up" and reduce the ammonia the plants go back to consuming nitrates.

So that is all normal.

One huge thing IMHO is that exactly the same thing happens should something go bump in the night. preventing dangerous ammonia spikes and possible tank crashes.

my .02

maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

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post #14 of 17 Old 03-30-2013, 11:18 AM
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Also look to see if they sell floating plants such as water lettuce or water sprite.
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post #15 of 17 Old 03-30-2013, 04:55 PM Thread Starter
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After today's water change, nitrites are down to .2. Yay!!
I can test for ammonia and nitrItes, but not nitrAtes. the 'Ates aren't toxic to the fish like the 'rites are, right?

I'm holding my breath on the plants. I let the anacharis float because it was supposed to end up in the 20 gal eventually. There's like 4 stems, but one broke into a couple smaller pieces. They are all browner than when I got them. Today I see a couple bright green spots on a couple of them, so maybe they aren't a complete loss.

Will dead plants create ammonia? Or can I wait them out to see if they bounce back?
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post #16 of 17 Old 03-30-2013, 05:21 PM
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NitrAtes are not as toxic to fish as NirItes are that's correct but only to a point some say not to let them get above 20 some less some say more but I prefer to have the number lower if possible.

Anything that decays or rots in the tank can create ammonia including Plants.

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post #17 of 17 Old 04-01-2013, 03:49 PM
I have used prime and cycle when I had ammonia spikes in my 30 gallon never had any spikes in the 120 I planted first for a month and then added fish there are no plants in my 30 gallon and it had spikes while cycling I did daily water changes and used cycle but prime is better this was before I found out about prime when I started my 30 gallon i used tetra products and they did nothing but I was a novice then still am in some aspects
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