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post #31 of 35 Old 07-24-2013, 03:36 PM
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Thanks, that's what I've read so far.

Wanted to get some opinions from more experienced members just in case. I'll be putting in the order for the plants today and the fish by batches, adopted two expensive hobbies at the same time... big mistake!

Read that I might have to add ammonia to the tank water if I have plants and no fish, what would be a good source?
IME no need for ammonia.

I just setup the tank planted (using tap water).

then let it set a week.

Then (10g tank) add a single fish (live bearer-- use a male).

then wait a week with no food being added.

then more fully stock the tank and start feeding a single flake per day.

The plants will keep up with any ammonia being generted preventing the initial cycle spikes and keeping the fish well oxygenated and healthy.

any other money can be spend on the other hobby.

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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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IME no need for ammonia.

I just setup the tank planted (using tap water).

then let it set a week.

Then (10g tank) add a single fish (live bearer-- use a male).

then wait a week with no food being added.

then more fully stock the tank and start feeding a single flake per day.

The plants will keep up with any ammonia being generted preventing the initial cycle spikes and keeping the fish well oxygenated and healthy.

any other money can be spend on the other hobby.

my .02
Gotcha! Was going to buy a school of neon tetras as the initial inhabitants, is this too much? My tank is 36g bow.

So...I have to go without feed them for about a week and then gradually feed them?
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With sand you will have to provide fertilizers both liquid and root tabs. When it comes to mixing substrate anytime you have bigger particulars on the bottom and smaller on top. The smaller always end up on bottom over time as it works itself down through the crack. As for Eco-complete well I had that once apon a time. I found that you still needed to add fertilizers.

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Gotcha! Was going to buy a school of neon tetras as the initial inhabitants, is this too much? My tank is 36g bow.

So...I have to go without feed them for about a week and then gradually feed them?
Correct.

The plants during that first week will condition the water and get established.

Then you add the one fish just to get some bioload started. The not adding food for a week allows that fish to survive. When I fed that first fish it always died on the 5th day. I would wait a day and add another single fish and it would always survive. But with no food being added that firs week even that first fish survives.

With neons I would add at least 5 maybe 10 for a 30g after the first week. And feed very very lightly. Like only a few flakes (3 max) each day. Some people even report not adding food for that second bunch for another week or two. The fish will have plenty of food with the plants, snail eggs, little itty bitty 'bugs' on the plants. So it's not like the fish starve. But when you add food then you get parameter spikes that do stress the fish.

also with neons when you select them check the gills to see if any are red and enlarged. And reject those fish.

I also have better luck with neons when I have peat moss in the substrate. prevents KH build up.


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maintain Fw and marine system with a strong emphasis on balanced, stabilized system that as much as possible are self substaning.

have maintained FW systems for up to 9 years with descendants from original fish and marine aquariums for up to 8 years.

With no water changes, untreated tap water, inexpensive lighting by first starting the tank with live plants (FW) or macro algae( marine)

see: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-build-295530/
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With sand you will have to provide fertilizers both liquid and root tabs. When it comes to mixing substrate anytime you have bigger particulars on the bottom and smaller on top. The smaller always end up on bottom over time as it works itself down through the crack. As for Eco-complete well I had that once apon a time. I found that you still needed to add fertilizers.
I was aware of this, read another review who mentioned it, and went ahead and ordered Flourish Comprehensive and Flourish Excel.

Thanks for the heads up!

Eco complete says that it'll have two layers already in the mix... haven't added it to the tank yet, should be doing that tonight.
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