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post #31 of 37 Old 04-06-2012, 12:29 PM
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I love it when other people enjoy making lists, diagrams, and planning these things out like I do xD
Haha I do this all the time, mostly dreaming. I really hope your tank turns out as awesome as it looks and I get to see it. Good luck, I read through the posts and it looks great!

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post #32 of 37 Old 04-06-2012, 12:37 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks, I should be making the first steps in 1 week. The new carpet has arrived and the installers have set a date. Once they're finished I'll be spending the weekend ordering plants and doing the hardscape. Then the slow process of adding the fish over a couple of month period to ease them in.
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I see nothing here that would cause problems for pygmy chain sword. What other plants are in the tank? I don't know a lot about allelopathy, but I am just wondering. And I assume the other species are all fine?

Can you post a photo of one of these plants? What exactly are the symptoms? Have you tried Flourish twice weekly? I'm thinking the nutrients may be a bit weak for the light; the fish load and feeding can impact here.
I don't have the plant anymore as I threw it out. I can tell you after several months the plants leaves turned transparent and fell off. It was similar to when a crypt melts. Will as say this the roots never seem to grow any bigger then when I first bought it. The others plants that are in the tank are Jungle Val, Amazon Sword, a couple of dwarf swords that I can remember the name of. A crypt that I bought at Petco simply tagged crypt. So have no clue what it is. Java moss and Pennywort. Also have 3 Anubias in there. When I get a chance I'll find the names of.the dwarf swords. Here is a pic of the entire tank.
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post #34 of 37 Old 04-06-2012, 01:20 PM
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Don't need the names, there is nothing you have that I don't, and in with the chain sword.

Well, all I can say is it must have been missing nutrients. The light is identical with mine, and even in my slightly larger tanks with two tubes I have no issues in that regard; this plant does grow like a weed, and I have it in every tank but one.

You are sure it was Hellanthium tenellum (or formerly/sometimes still called Echinodorus tenellus)? And not some other plant labelled with the common name? I've seen various odd plants called "swords" in stores.

I'm having some issues with mine getting holes in the leaves, by which I mean the cell tissue basically dissolves leave the cross-ribbing. This may be potassium-related. I've also had lack of calcium and magnesium and recently started using Equilibrium which has absolutely solved this problem; the larger Echinodorus species are increasing in size by 1/3 and sending out leaves like mad. The Hellanthium tenellum has improved too, but in two tanks I am still having the one issue, so I've upped the Flourish to twice instead of once weekly. [It is interesting that one of these tanks with the Hellanthium issue is the one with Flourite substrate.] If this doesn't work, Flourish Potassium will be the next step in those two tanks. There is Potassium in Equilibrium too, so I'm thinking with the chain sword that this slightly improvement may be due to the additional potassium. Sometimes one just has to experiment to find issues.

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I can not be absolutely sure it was the "true" Pygmy chain sword. As I did get it from Petco but from pics I have seen it look like it. I may try getting this plant from online sometime in the future. As for now I am to the point that I realize this is just one plant that won't grow for me.

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I can not be absolutely sure it was the "true" Pygmy chain sword. As I did get it from Petco but from pics I have seen it look like it. I may try getting this plant from online sometime in the future. As for now I am to the point that I realize this is just one plant that won't grow for me.
Now I'm almost positive that the plant was actually microsword, or Lilaeopsis brasiliensis [this is the most common species, there are some others]. Grown emersed, as most aquarium plants are, they are nearly identical in leaf structure. In fact, in another thread, i identified the plant in a photo as Hellanthium tenellum until zof corrected me and i took a second look and agreed with him.

This plant is much more difficult; mine [which were labelled "Tenellus sword" even] yellowed and melted within a couple weeks in 2 or 3 different tanks. I kept one "root" in the 70g and left it alone, and it has now after several months spread a bit, but it is feeble.

If you were in Canada I would mail you a bucket of Hellanthium tenellum, I'm tossing out plantlets every week. And I'm not kidding. If you can find it in a reliable store or online, or from another member in your area, I would try it.

Byron.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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Now I'm almost positive that the plant was actually microsword, or Lilaeopsis brasiliensis [this is the most common species, there are some others]. Grown emersed, as most aquarium plants are, they are nearly identical in leaf structure. In fact, in another thread, i identified the plant in a photo as Hellanthium tenellum until zof corrected me and i took a second look and agreed with him.

This plant is much more difficult; mine [which were labelled "Tenellus sword" even] yellowed and melted within a couple weeks in 2 or 3 different tanks. I kept one "root" in the 70g and left it alone, and it has now after several months spread a bit, but it is feeble.

If you were in Canada I would mail you a bucket of Hellanthium tenellum, I'm tossing out plantlets every week. And I'm not kidding. If you can find it in a reliable store or online, or from another member in your area, I would try it.

Byron.
Byron I would like to discuss this a little futher if you don't mind. I started a new Thread called "Microsword and or Pygmy Chain sword" just so I don't highjack Geomancers Thread anymore.

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