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Old 04-03-2012, 04:57 PM   #11
 
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You sure? I have three in a 20 gallon, only for about 4 months at this point but they haven't spread out anywhere near that much. They've gotten pretty tall, but not too large in the width area.

That left area is about ~24" in length which would give each ~6" of space. But maybe just three back there and one in the center on the terrace. Until I build the hardscape, I only really have a 'ballpark' of how big each area will be.:oops

I wouldn't call myself a Sword expert, actually I usually kill them, but I have been told many times by people I consider sword experts that they need room when planted in order to flourish

For stem plants, I've found they don't 'bush' out if you remove the bottom portion and re-plant the tops, they just keep growing up as a single stem.

I don't usually remove the bottoms and replant, what I was was that you plant a single stem and let it bush out. So we are on the same page there.

On the Pygmy Chain Sword, I'd probably only buy 1/2 or 1/3 of the indicated spots, with the expectation that over time they'd send runners out and populate all the open spaces (I would prevent them from growing in the 'river').



Thanks everyone! I appreciate the comments.

Sounds like you have it under control.
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Old 04-03-2012, 07:08 PM   #12
 
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I don't think they would do well under a cover of floating plants. They need rather bright light if i remember correctly, otherwise they just kind of sit there and do nothing instead of carpet. I will not be doing a 'high tech' setup (no CO2).

Originally that's what I wanted to use though, it's the perfect looking lawn.



Really? I've heard from several people that it grows like weeds in their tanks I've tried microsword in a 10g and it did absolutely nothing but grow algae on its leaves. It's still there, hasn't grown one bit in a couple of months. Thinking of trimming it to see if it does anything.



You sure? I have three in a 20 gallon, only for about 4 months at this point but they haven't spread out anywhere near that much. They've gotten pretty tall, but not too large in the width area.

That left area is about ~24" in length which would give each ~6" of space. But maybe just three back there and one in the center on the terrace. Until I build the hardscape, I only really have a 'ballpark' of how big each area will be.

For stem plants, I've found they don't 'bush' out if you remove the bottom portion and re-plant the tops, they just keep growing up as a single stem.

On the Pygmy Chain Sword, I'd probably only buy 1/2 or 1/3 of the indicated spots, with the expectation that over time they'd send runners out and populate all the open spaces (I would prevent them from growing in the 'river').



Thanks everyone! I appreciate the comments.
You should get 3x the amount of Java Moss stated there. This way you can kind of fill stuff in where you need to.
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Old 04-03-2012, 07:44 PM   #13
 
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Are you going for a Dutch Aquarium setup ?
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Are you going for a Dutch Aquarium setup ?
What's that? Haven't heard of that before ... so I'll say no ;)
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Old 04-03-2012, 09:25 PM   #15
 
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What's that? Haven't heard of that before ... so I'll say no ;)
There are two main styles of planted aquariums (basically) the DUtch style and the Natural (iwagumi) style. Most people tend to gravitate towards one of these two styles. Dutch is the traditional style with rows of well trimmed thick colorful plants. This is a dutch tank.

Here is a dutch tank:



The natural style (iwagumi) has become popular, especially in japan, in the last 10-15 years. It focuses on integrating plants and hardscape to create a snapshot of a natural environment in your tank.

Here is a Natural style tank:

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Old 04-04-2012, 06:46 AM   #16
 
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The second picture must not of made it, at least I can't see it.

But I think I know what you mean. I've seen ones for example that look like a grassy hill with a very real looking tree on the top. Those are beautiful ... but they're made for the aquascape and not for actual fish. My primary concern will be the fish but I want the tank heavily planted so that they do the filtering and I never get Nitrates above 5 ppm. So I guess that means a Dutch style for me.

I wish I could have one as nice as the picture you linked, but my fish would not like that bright of a light (and I won't be using CO2).


I probably will cut down on the number of plants. The more I look at it, the more over crowded it looks.
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Old 04-04-2012, 03:42 PM   #17
 
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I was told that Pygmy chain sword did well in low setups (and it very well may). It just won't do anything for me except die. LoL Now I have Microsword that has grown and actually sent out runners but it hasn't down much lately its kinda staled out. If I was you I would still try with the exceptions it won't grow and be shocked when (if) it does.
We should explore this, as all the green-leaf swords will do fine in moderate light. But they are heavy feeders, so nutrients may be the issue. If you do want to continue this discussion, give me the water params (GH and pH), light, tank size (length and volume), and nutrient fertilization. Substrate doesn't matter but if it is an enriched one mention it as this is a nutrient source. Also your water change schedule, and if you vacuum the substrate in any way.

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Old 04-04-2012, 03:49 PM   #18
 
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Geomancer, there are two issues in this thread I'll comment on.

First is the mix of substrates. Sand and gravel will mix unless they are permanently divided, as with some form of solid divider (can be glass, plastic, rock, wood) that is completely sealed to the tank bottom glass and the side glass at that level. Otherwise, the sand will shift under the gravel and so forth.

Second is your GH. You will need to raise this to at least 4 dGH, but 5-6 would be better. The Echinodorus and Hellanthium will not do well in very soft water, neither will most other plants for that matter. I've had this problem for years and have tried various methods with varying degrees of success. You have to be careful, as some methods will affect pH which is not always good, depending. And I agree, Vallisneria would struggle in soft acidic water. I've dealt with this too.

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Old 04-05-2012, 09:35 AM   #19
 
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For the gravel 'river' I was just planning on putting some small (<1/2 inch) river stones on top of the sand. I think they should stay on top and not 'sink' although I suspect long term they'll end up partially buried which is okay.

For the GH ... I've thought about using Equilibrium but I've been hesitant to do so. My 20 and 10 gallon have been doing okay so far. I would just be concerned about the dosing of it. Would the swings in GH during water changes be a problem for the fish? I plan on using an Aqueon water changer (similar to a Python) to just add water directly to the tank. So the GH will fall, then rise in the span of ~30 minutes.

I'm also concerned with the water conditioner, how much to add when doing this. Hate the idea of chlorine being in there even if only for a few minutes.

Thinking about this more, I may drop the Hygrophila so I don't block the view of the driftwood.
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Old 04-05-2012, 10:09 AM   #20
 
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An updated plan, a bit less busy. I need to remember that it's only 18.5" wide which dosen't leave all that much room front to back.

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