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Old 06-26-2013, 03:20 PM   #21
 
Are there any even smaller cichlids that can thrive in a 25g?

borellii, accorind to my local store, says 90l. = 23.7 gallons. A better choice?

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Old 06-26-2013, 03:59 PM   #22
 
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There are of course many species in the Apistogramma genus, and while most are around the same size, their numbers do vary with the species (pair, trio, group). I would need to know the tank length [100 liters, which is around 26 gallons] to pin this down further.

A. cacatuoides is (so far) the only Apisto species in our profiles, here's the direct link:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/c...uoides-189393/
and you willnote therein it mentions that this is a harem species so one male with 2 (minimum) or 3 females is best. This is for a reason, mainly the male's temperament. Tank size is obviously critical here.

There are other apistos that are fine in a pair. And moving to other genera, the beautiful gems in Dicrossus are well suited to smallish tanks like a 20g and up. The two most commonly seen species of Dicrossus are in our profiles:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/c...ntosus-189241/
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/c...ulatus-189257/

Dither fish are advisable or all of these cichlids may become so frightened they refuse to eat and waste away. Substrate fish are not always ideal with these cichlids especially in small tanks; the cichlids will regularly spawn, and they find substrate fish bothersome and the females when guarding eggs/fry can be very nasty to corys. And, if you want fry to survive, never have substrate fish; substrate fish like corys, pleco etc. are nocturnal and will easily devour eggs or fry at night even in large tanks.

Upper fish are fine, so long as they are themselves peaceful. Pencilfish usually do well in this role, and there are some tetra than do as well. Hatchetfish too are ideal, esp those in Carnegiella which are smaller and quieter. All of these are in our profiles under "characid species."

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Old 06-27-2013, 02:34 AM   #23
 
Great answers, thanks.

The research goes on, I've switched the cocatuoides to Apistogramma borellii, maybe 1 male and 2 or 3 females. Borellii are smaller.

I'll not have the substrate fish as, as Byron said, they will probably eat the (potential) fry of the Cichlids.

I was looking at Marble Hatchets as dither, but realized that they like somewhat harder water than the cichlids. Are there any surface fish that enjoy a bit softer water, like the cichlids?
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Old 06-27-2013, 07:33 AM   #24
 
I'll answer myself: black neon tetra seems a good match with apistogramma borellii.
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:35 AM   #25
 
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The research goes on, I've switched the cocatuoides to Apistogramma borellii, maybe 1 male and 2 or 3 females. Borellii are smaller.

I'll not have the substrate fish as, as Byron said, they will probably eat the (potential) fry of the Cichlids.

I was looking at Marble Hatchets as dither, but realized that they like somewhat harder water than the cichlids. Are there any surface fish that enjoy a bit softer water, like the cichlids?
Where did you see this? Our profile says GH from zero up to 20 dGH.
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:38 AM   #26
 
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I'll answer myself: black neon tetra seems a good match with apistogramma borellii.
I would suggest looking more at characins that don't remain in the lower regions of the tank, which is where the dwarf cichlids will always be. That's why hatchets are so useful, and most of the pencils. From the tetra, Hemigrammus pulcher is ideal, if you can find them; for some reason this fish is not all that common, but it is a beauty and stays mid-water and a bit above. There are probably others than I can't think of just now.

If you don't mind SE Asian fish (not geographic with cidhlids), the rasbora in Trigonostigma work.

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Old 06-28-2013, 06:07 AM   #27
 
I remember reading somewhere than black neon tetras inhabit the mid- to upper zones. Is this not true? They seem to be from the same Rio Paraguay as the umbrella cichlid I'm looking at.

I misread the dGH for marble hatchet, it seems 0-15 or 0-20 is fine.

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Old 06-28-2013, 11:51 AM   #28
 
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I remember reading somewhere than black neon tetras inhabit the mid- to upper zones. Is this not true? They seem to be from the same Rio Paraguay as the umbrella cichlid I'm looking at.
You're correct; it says this in our profile too (which I authored, from reliable data). I guess I need to check each species before I post, I can't keep them all straight in my mind.

The only data on numbers I can find for A. borelli is on the German site Diszhal which I have found to be reliable. It says the species is polygamous, so one male with 2 or more females will work. They also say that the male claims the upper part of the tank, the females the lower.
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:11 PM   #29
 
Bentos Tetras are a little crazy. very active and love to destroy alot of plants. i have them in my 55 gallon planted. they are awesome fish! they are the most aggresive tetra. but abig school of 8 should help keep it down. plants i have in my tank that they seem to leave alone are hornwort, dwarf water lettuce, jungle val, crypts and java ferns. it was frustrating to learn this the hard way but its all good now :) good luck with your tank!
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Old 06-29-2013, 12:45 PM   #30
 
Destroy plants? Ugh....uhm. Perhaps the marble hatchets are more peaceful. I'd love to have brasiliensis (can't remember the genus now) as a sortof lawn as foreground. Looks pretty. Then some tall stuff for background.

This is all very bewildering and addictive, this will be my first ever aquarium (or since like 30 yrs when i was just a kid we had one).

Will an aquarium with just two different plants be ok? Or boring?

Btw just visited Stockholm aquaria. What a lovely saltwater tank they have.
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