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post #21 of 33 Old 03-10-2010, 04:12 PM
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I cant test my hardness of the water i dont have that test my ph of the tap water is 8.2 wit high range ph and 7.6 with the regular ph chart on the api freshwater master test kit. Which one do i go buy?
I'm guessing here, but if your store's pH is 7.4, and assuming your water is from the same source as theirs, I would expect the 7.6 test result to be closest, but this needs confirming to be sure. I recommend you take a tap water sample to the fish store; most will do tests for pH and hardness. Ask them for the actual numbers of the tests, otherwise we won't know where you stand. Another option is to check with the local water board; most will tell you the hardness of the water, or they may have this on their website.

Once we know this, we will probably know why your tank is at a pH of 6.6; the hardness is the critical factor in this.

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post #22 of 33 Old 03-10-2010, 05:40 PM Thread Starter
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my ph was at 6.0 because i used water from watermill express please go to there website to see what im talking about. I added 2 danios in there it was only a dolar to build up bacteria. Someone told me to use safe start. What water should i use in my tank.
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post #23 of 33 Old 03-10-2010, 06:46 PM
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I just really seem to miss why you'd not use your tap water. You get the watermill water and try treat it with pH up meanwhile you have hard tap water why not use it?
Once a tank is cycled you will never have the same parameters within the tank then right from the tap anyway and that's the same for soft water coming from your tap then it is for hard water.
Right now you've already spent quite some $ on chems yo really do not need like the pH up, the bottle bacteria etc. Just spent the additional 7-10 bucks and get a pH and KH liquid test kit for yourself; especially if you have in mind to keep mixing your water like you do its essential to have one at home to test every day.
Alternatively get it tested one time (pH and KH) from your tap and use that water with fish that suit your water with all this mixing up of water's and chems there you're doing more harm on the fish then good. So why not use what you have and leave it alone? What are you gonna do now keep buying the water mill water and do your weekly water exchanges that way and add chems and have a permant up & down swing that'll hurt the hardiest of fish (leave alone sensitive fish).

Just figure out what these 2 numbers from your tap are. Then let's discuss options here. Then after all this is settled buy fish (and we can all help there as well) that suit your water and then simply enjoy your tank w/out headache.

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post #24 of 33 Old 03-10-2010, 06:53 PM
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Slowly we're clearing up the mystery. Most of us would recommend using our tap water in aquaria. First, it is readily available, and second it is probably less expensive than buying water.

It is easier to acquire fish that will manage with the water you have than trying to adjust water to accomodate sensitive fish. But it can be done, with varying degrees of success.

The question you need to answer, is what fish do you want in your aquarium? Back in the first post, you mention wanting a pH around 7. Is this for a particular fish? Further on you mention angels and a pleco. If these are in the store at 7.4 they would be better going into your tank at 7.4-7.6 which I assume would occur with your tap water. You can mix in some of the water you bought, though long term this may be expensive. We can pursue this idea more if you like.

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I just really seem to miss why you'd not use your tap water. You get the watermill water and try treat it with pH up meanwhile you have hard tap water why not use it?
Once a tank is cycled you will never have the same parameters within the tank then right from the tap anyway and that's the same for soft water coming from your tap then it is for hard water.
Right now you've already spent quite some $ on chems yo really do not need like the pH up, the bottle bacteria etc. Just spent the additional 7-10 bucks and get a pH and KH liquid test kit for yourself; especially if you have in mind to keep mixing your water like you do its essential to have one at home to test every day.
Alternatively get it tested one time (pH and KH) from your tap and use that water with fish that suit your water with all this mixing up of water's and chems there you're doing more harm on the fish then good. So why not use what you have and leave it alone? What are you gonna do now keep buying the water mill water and do your weekly water exchanges that way and add chems and have a permant up & down swing that'll hurt the hardiest of fish (leave alone sensitive fish).

Just figure out what these 2 numbers from your tap are. Then let's discuss options here. Then after all this is settled buy fish (and we can all help there as well) that suit your water and then simply enjoy your tank w/out headache.
ok, so just empty the watermill water out and fill with straight tap water and add amquel+? Also should i buy the tetra safestart?
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post #26 of 33 Old 03-10-2010, 08:12 PM
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If you're open minded about a variety fish that will suit your tap water there then yes or at least mix 50/50.
Still that leaves open the question what your hardness from the tap water is? And what fish do you have in mind to house there?
There's no need to add any starer chem's for one your tank has been running a lil while and the needed bacteria does establish itself within gravel & the filter 2) you have fish in there already as it is 3) you can read the sticky note here for fish-less or fish cycle and how it works in details; chems are not needed.

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post #27 of 33 Old 03-10-2010, 08:21 PM
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I have no problem recommending SafeStart, it is live bacteria that will seed a tank. The original Bio-Spira formula is now owned by Tetra (or whomever owns Tetra) and Safe Start is the successor to Bio-Spira which is scientifically proven. In this case, it can't hurt and should help; if I recall correctly, there are no fish in this tank yet.

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post #28 of 33 Old 03-10-2010, 09:13 PM Thread Starter
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i actually added 2 danios in there they were only a dollar. how do i know what stage im at and also my water is cloudy should i do a water change or check my water wit the test kit first? I have hard water from the faucet
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post #29 of 33 Old 03-10-2010, 09:16 PM Thread Starter
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Btw I can always move the fish to a fish bowl or something else if I have too.
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post #30 of 33 Old 03-10-2010, 09:17 PM
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There again for determining a cycle status you'd need a liquid test kit that contains NO2, NO3, Ammonia. Really your best bet long term is just to invest a few dollars in a combo test kit such as offered by Tetra or API so you can test all matters necessary at home any time. Otherwise anything will be plain guess work for you from here on out.

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