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post #1 of 14 Old 08-10-2010, 08:44 AM Thread Starter
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hi,
so another newbie here with troubles.
I have aquired a 30 litre tank which I have set up as a tropical tank. no fish yet but it has the filter in with a new cartridge in (fluvel 1 plus) a new heater the name escapes me. new gravel and fake plants (yes I know :p).
basically last weekend I set it all up gave it all a good clean and washed the gravel for a long time and added some tap safe.
switched it all on and it looked great :D. then came down the other morning switched the light on and to say it was cloudy was an understatement it looks like pea soup. so I left it hoping it would clear up but it looks no different :( wanted to add fish this weekend to :(.
any advice you can give me would be appreciated.
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post #2 of 14 Old 08-10-2010, 11:43 AM
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seems unusual in a tank with no fish and no plants... is it a green coloured water? if yes, its algae, which requires light and nutients to grow. is your tank by a window or does it get any direct light?
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post #3 of 14 Old 08-10-2010, 12:32 PM
no matter how well you clean your gravel theres always some floating debris in it.don't worry too much it's normal for a first time set up as there no bacteria in the filter yet and it's only beginning to cycle. do a few water changes if it's still cloudy. i did water changes for more then a week everyday when i first set up my new tank. amonia will be high in the first 2 weeks of cycling only really hardy fish should be in there with frequent water changes of 25% - 30% .do not add too many fish at a time as i said earlier theres not much bacteria in the filter to handle the overload of waste in the water and that will cause algae or cloudy water in the tank.

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post #4 of 14 Old 08-10-2010, 05:54 PM
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i actually ran into this same issue from a 30gal i bought on craigs with the whole setup. I washed everything and then filled with water then when i hit the lights it was all milky. I still threw fish in after waiting for 24hrs and didnt run into any problems the water cleared up after a few days of the fish bein in there. Coulda been from bac (unlikely) but more from small derbis or something that just couldnt get washed out.
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post #5 of 14 Old 08-11-2010, 06:11 AM Thread Starter
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seems unusual in a tank with no fish and no plants... is it a green coloured water? if yes, its algae, which requires light and nutients to grow. is your tank by a window or does it get any direct light?
Well im color blind so cant tell the color properly as it is to light for me but i am told that it is a white cloudy color.
I did a 50% water change yesterday and it does seem to be clearing slowly so guess will leave it another week.

Question though, when i clean the tank and do the water change weekly and so on do i clean the filter cartridge as well ? or leave it alone as there will be bacteria in there that helpfull if i have understood you correctly ?
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post #6 of 14 Old 08-11-2010, 07:28 AM
clean the filter with the tank water you have siphoned out not tap water and the bacteria will be fine. use a gravel filter once a week to clean the gravel but not too much as it will release ammonia in the water. if it's not regularly siphoned there will be a high concentration of ammonia in the gravel and once stirred it will be released into the tank and cause havoc to the fish.

5x2x2 aro,highfin bat,fei feng,ST,albino tinfoil,c.perch
4x1.5x1.5 planted tetras,harlequins,
otto,WMM,2 types of celebes rainbows,rcs,amano, bamboo,red ramhorns,MTS
3.5x2.5x2 flowerhorn,pleco
3x1.5x1.5 russel's lion,blue cleaner,sixline and leopard wrasse,maroon clown pair,green chromis,scorpion,tiger cowrie,turbo,lyretail anthias,jewel,anemone,star polyp,marbled and giant green mushi,zoa
2x1x1 nano sw shrimps
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post #7 of 14 Old 08-11-2010, 08:34 AM
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the filter only really needs gentle cleaning when its full of gunk that's preventing water from flowing through it freely. cleaning the filter too frequently and too throughly will get rid of the beneficial bacteria you need to convert the toxic ammonia produced by your fish into less toxic nitrites and nitrates. as kitten says - use tank water to clean it rather than tap water
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post #8 of 14 Old 08-11-2010, 08:53 AM
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the filter only really needs gentle cleaning when its full of gunk that's preventing water from flowing through it freely. cleaning the filter too frequently and too throughly will get rid of the beneficial bacteria you need to convert the toxic ammonia produced by your fish into less toxic nitrites and nitrates. as kitten says - use tank water to clean it rather than tap water

Yeah, and up til you get fish I wouldn't be cleaning the tank really at all. Get an ammonia and nitrite tester and SeaChem's Stability and then you'll need an ammonia source, maybe a feeder goldfish which you could rehome somewhere appropriate after the tank has cycled.

I looked up the Fluval 1 Plus and see it has 2 sponge filters and carbon cartridge? I'd get some floss (Wal-mart poly pillow filling works great) and put it in the filter in the water flow before a sponge then you can just toss the floss as it gets dirty and rinse out the sponge with used tank water. I wouldn't use pre-made carbon cartridges at all as they are a waste of money.

Good luck and have fun.

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post #9 of 14 Old 08-11-2010, 02:03 PM Thread Starter
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hmm. the filter only has one sponge in at the mo as that looked right. to fit two in and a carbon thing would be a squeeze to say the least.
I figured as the refill box I bought for it came with two that it was one to use and one spare, or am I wrong ? there was no carbon in the box with it
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post #10 of 14 Old 08-11-2010, 03:22 PM
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hmm. the filter only has one sponge in at the mo as that looked right. to fit two in and a carbon thing would be a squeeze to say the least.
I figured as the refill box I bought for it came with two that it was one to use and one spare, or am I wrong ? there was no carbon in the box with it
Maybe I looked up the wrong filter.

In any event, I'd have floss and sponge, toss the floss and rinse the sponge in used water.

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