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Old 11-08-2011, 09:16 AM   #11
 
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I think the cardinals will be fine in the planted tank and I would do a group of at least 10 you have plenty of room in the tank for them.
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Old 11-08-2011, 12:40 PM   #12
 
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I would not introduce cardinal tetra first in a new tank. Even with plants, this is sometimes risky. "Established" means the biology has basically settled, and this takes a few weeks, and should not be confused with cycling which is something else [and as mentioned, cycling is basically not an issue in planted tanks].
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Old 11-10-2011, 11:08 AM   #13
 
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If you heavly plant the tank with real plants before you add the fish you will not have to worry about the cycle as plants, in a way, automatically cycle the tank because they will absorb all the ammonia that the fish will make. I planted my 55 then put several fish with no problems and Byron and others here as well have done the same thing. If you would like to purchase plants online there is a seller on aquabid mikeswetpets that I have used he has great plants and right now has a 55 gallon deal for $53.00 his plants are always really nice and he always send a couple extra. Heres a link if you want to check it out:
AquaBid.com - Item # liveplants1321063819 - 55 Gallon Assortment 20+ Plants - Ends: Fri Nov 11 2011 - 08:10:19 PM CDT
Other places that are good are aquariumplants.com, and sweetaquatics has great prices but sometimes it takes a while for them to send.
Thanks for the links, I'll have to check them out. I am lucky in that my local fish store has a ton of plant variety, and they look fantastic. I'll see what they have, but will definitely look at your sites. I am starting now to look more around regarding plants and the lighting. I don't plan on doing CO2 at least for now - again, that's another area I need to research more. But I do want it to be heavily planted. I think that can be done without CO2...?

EDIT: just looked at the link and it does seem like a good deal. Now I need to look up what the individual plants are - at quick glance it seems like a nice variety of height and textures. Moderate light - what kind of lighting setup do I need for those?

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I think the cardinals will be fine in the planted tank and I would do a group of at least 10 you have plenty of room in the tank for them.
Yes, I have upped my list to 10+ tetras. :)

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I would not introduce cardinal tetra first in a new tank. Even with plants, this is sometimes risky. "Established" means the biology has basically settled, and this takes a few weeks, and should not be confused with cycling which is something else [and as mentioned, cycling is basically not an issue in planted tanks].
Yes, I read that about them. So maybe the rainbows first then? I had read mixed things on the kuhli loaches - some say established, some say OK to add to a new tank.

I plan on planting the tank, letting it run for a few days, then adding a few fish. Should I be adding some sort of bacteria to the water, or are those products bunk? Just add the usual water conditioners? I know that the plants you're getting already have some of the beneficial bacteria from the tanks they came in...

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Old 11-10-2011, 11:46 AM   #14
 
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Thanks for the links, I'll have to check them out. I am lucky in that my local fish store has a ton of plant variety, and they look fantastic. I'll see what they have, but will definitely look at your sites. I am starting now to look more around regarding plants and the lighting. I don't plan on doing CO2 at least for now - again, that's another area I need to research more. But I do want it to be heavily planted. I think that can be done without CO2...?

EDIT: just looked at the link and it does seem like a good deal. Now I need to look up what the individual plants are - at quick glance it seems like a nice variety of height and textures. Moderate light - what kind of lighting setup do I need for those?


Yes, I have upped my list to 10+ tetras. :)


Yes, I read that about them. So maybe the rainbows first then? I had read mixed things on the kuhli loaches - some say established, some say OK to add to a new tank.

I plan on planting the tank, letting it run for a few days, then adding a few fish. Should I be adding some sort of bacteria to the water, or are those products bunk? Just add the usual water conditioners? I know that the plants you're getting already have some of the beneficial bacteria from the tanks they came in...
Rainbows first would be better. When I set up new tanks I plant fully the first day; I usually have the plants, since most of my "new" tanks now are re-builds of existing tanks with new substrate or a new aquascape. But once it is basically planted, I add some fish. May be the same day or the following day. If you are using new equipment, it is wise to run the tank for a day and night to ensure the filter and heater are correctly set and functioning properly. But plants need ammonium and adding a few fish provides it.

Provided the plants are sufficient in number to handle the fish load, there should be no issues. I have used a bacterial supplement with everything brand new, just as a "backup" precaution. But normally some of the wood comes from existing tanks and it will contain bacteria, plus the plants themselves. But provided it is a reputable bacterial supplement, it won't hurt. I have used Seachem's Stability. Tetra's SafeStart is another I recommend. Both these are 100% live bacteria, scientifically proven and they do speed up the establishment of the nitrifying bacteria. In planted tanks this is not really necessary, so I don't bother, unless as I mentioned it is a brand new tank with nothing carried over.

Use a good water conditioner as soon as you start filling the tank; if plants or wood with bacteria is being put in and the water is not dechlorinated, the bacteria will die. Your usual conditioner is adequate.

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Old 11-10-2011, 12:27 PM   #15
 
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Thanks once again for the great info.

So what about lighting recs for "moderate light" plants?
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:25 PM   #16
 
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Thanks once again for the great info.

So what about lighting recs for "moderate light" plants?
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What do you have now? You mention a strip light in post 1, but what is the length of the tube itself (and is this one or two tubes), and what is the length of the tank? And, what are the specs of the tube(s)? These will be printed at one end of the tube.
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Old 11-10-2011, 03:26 PM   #17
 
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The tank is 36 x 18 x 24, 65 gallons.

There is one strip light right now, it's 24", 8000K full sectrum daylight
(17W T8)

The shop told me it was for more low light plants. I anticipated changing it but this came with the tank and I hadn't researched enough yet to buy something else.
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Old 11-10-2011, 05:17 PM   #18
 
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The tank is 36 x 18 x 24, 65 gallons.

There is one strip light right now, it's 24", 8000K full sectrum daylight
(17W T8)

The shop told me it was for more low light plants. I anticipated changing it but this came with the tank and I hadn't researched enough yet to buy something else.
Low light and some moderate light plants will manage with a single T8 as you describe. As for the tube itself, I'd like to find out more about the one you have. Can you tell me the manufacturer and tube name? I should be able to find more online.

Depending upon the above results, I might be able to suggest a different tube with a bit more intensity. Or it might be best to go for a single T5 or a dual T8 fixture; would this be feasible?
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Old 11-10-2011, 06:15 PM   #19
 
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It's an aqueon. Not at home, so not sure the tube name.

I'm open to anything - just want whats best for the fish and plants- so yes... feasible!
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Old 11-11-2011, 11:39 PM   #20
 
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