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Old 07-19-2010, 08:13 PM   #21
 
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I meant the little gold one (in the pic with the pot).That one definitely doesn't look right.

Hopefully the extra plants will help. Good luck.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:21 PM   #22
 
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Again, I was told that the Black Red tail shark is actually not a shark at all but of the catfish family
Correct, there are no true freshwater sharks as such; this common name is due solely to general appearance and to sell the fish (which is extinct in nature now).

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and that it is peaceful to tank mates other then other shark species.
This I cannot agree with; as noted in the profile, this fish frequently gets rough with other fish, especially bottom fish (which are certainly not to be included) and striped fish (h'm, wonder what he'll do with the tigers in time?)

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I do not understand why they will sell species that are nasty when someone has specifically said they want a peaceful tank.
Two possible reasons. First, they don't care and want to sell the fish to save money and make money. Second, more charitably, they don't know themselves.

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Who CAN be housed with a shark and Tiger Barbs? not to mention a grumpy Gourami.
I think this is answered in the respective profiles.

Inga, don't despair. We all (well, most of us, I certainly did) go through this. Only a couple years ago I bought a group of small characins (tetra) that I knew "could" be nippy but were considered peaceful in every book I read. So I bought them. Three days after they went in the then-90g tank, I went in to feed the fish in the morning and wondered why only these newbies were swimming around? I looked and saw all the other tetras in among the plants. I opened the tank and fed as usual; a few (only a few) of the other (much larger) fish came out to eat, then I saw why they had been in the plants. These little 3/4 inch tetra were terrors. They never bit the other fish (that I could see) but the other fish clearly read their body language (or more likely picked up on the pheromones in the water) and knew better; as soon as one of the terrors started towards it, the fish would dive into the plants, quivering. Of course, this state cannot last, as it is highly stressful and the other fish would have serious health issues in no time (which in fact they did, though not serious per say). I netted the terrors out, and within an hour the other fish were coming out of hiding. Things got back to normal, except for a nasty bout of ich on the cardinals and rummys--highly susceptible under stress. Lost a few of them clearing that up. Lesson learned--if any author says this fish might do this or that, believe that it likely will and take appropriate precautions.

I had a similar issue with Emperor Tetra, I won't bore you with that. And Lisa had bleeding heart tetras that had to be removed for nipping her angels. Sometimes we can avoid issues by taking the advice given by others; and sometimes fish will "change" due to this or that. We live and learn.

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Old 07-19-2010, 08:24 PM   #23
 
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I meant the little gold one (in the pic with the pot).That one definitely doesn't look right.

Hopefully the extra plants will help. Good luck.
Well then maybe it was just a matter of time anyway. That fish seemed normal to the uneducated eye but I don't think that picture was very good. It was literally resting on the bottom in that pot. I guess that is odd in itself and maybe a sign of something more wrong. I just thought the 2 Gold were setting up house. Maybe the fish at this Petsmart are not as healthy as I thought. I was so impressed with how clean everything was kept there in comparison to Petco here.

Bertha really does seem to be in a state of upset tonight. I think I will do a larger water change tomorrow in case there is anything in the water setting her off.

As always, my Tiger Barbs are thrilled with the addition of the silk plants and are swimming about chasing each other through the leaves. I swear I can see them smiling when they do that stuff. Bertha, not in the new plants yet but maybe she will settle in later. Hopefully. I really do not want any more casualties. I was secretly priding myself on making it this far without any after reading so many other posts about whole tanks being destroyed. Guess that will teach me to count my chickens too soon, so to speak.

Byron, If you think my fish are stressing, you should see me. I am so broken hearted that they won't get along. I am so frustrated with this whole experience to date. I am on the verge of tears right now thinking that I most likely will lose all these fish that I have worked so hard to keep healthy. I am watching this little shark and wondering what I can even do with him. He won't get along with striped fish? EVERY ONE of my fish is striped other then the Blue Gourami that so far has not been an issue with him. Maybe they should let these fish go extinct if they are so mean. Why would you want only 1 fish in a tank? I am just at such a low point right now. I have sunk everything into this and have nothing more to give. I don't know what to do.

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Old 07-19-2010, 08:52 PM   #24
 
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Inga, it won't happen overnight. As i said earlier, let things settle. After some thought, decide if the shark should go back to the store. That's always an option.

It is also common (probably) to have real down days. I have something in one tank now that I can't seem to cure, and I've no idea where it came from as nothing new has gone in there for months. Five or six fish have died in the past few weeks from whatever this is, and they are valued and prized fish. I sometimes think I will just drop a jug of bleach in the tank and clear up the mess. But of course that isn't the answer even if it seems so at the moment.

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Old 07-19-2010, 09:04 PM   #25
 
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I am beginning to wonder if someone already returned the black shark to the store since he was the biggest one by far. I just thought if it was older already, the personality was sort of formed and he seemed really shy. Oddly enough, I did think of dumping bleach in and starting new. Like you said, it wouldn't actually come to that.

I honestly don't know how I will be able to catch any of these fish in this tank now that it has all the plants. Any suggestions there? I can't take the plants all out, obviously. I can take out the cave/log and Mopani wood but they still hide in the plants pretty well. The bar across the top of the tank will pose a problem as well, I am thinking. Like I said on a different thread, I was told by the lady at the store to just flush the fish because it is their policy to not take fish. I can ask at the other LFS in my area but I am doubting it. That store carries more of the unusual species it seemed.
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:42 PM   #26
 
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Inga, I'm sorry you have all this going on. Trust me, we've ALL been there! I'm going to be netting out (or trying to anyway) a school of barbs and tetras from one of my tanks and the way I'm going to do it is in three steps:

1- remove 50% of the water
2- use two nets, one to chase them into the other one.
3- pray that it works!

My tank is planted and I have no intention on uprooting anything or tearing down the tank to catch them. If I have to sit in front of the tank for hours in order to catch each one then that's what I'm going to have to do.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:18 PM   #27
 
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Two nets is the way I do it too.You just have to take your time but it's easier and less stressful than chasing the fish all over the tank.Usually it only takes a couple of tries with two but you always have that one fish that just won't cooperate.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:04 PM   #28
 
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Inga, I'm sorry you have all this going on. Trust me, we've ALL been there! I'm going to be netting out (or trying to anyway) a school of barbs and tetras from one of my tanks and the way I'm going to do it is in three steps:

1- remove 50% of the water
2- use two nets, one to chase them into the other one.
3- pray that it works!

My tank is planted and I have no intention on uprooting anything or tearing down the tank to catch them. If I have to sit in front of the tank for hours in order to catch each one then that's what I'm going to have to do.

What are you doing with the fish once you catch them? I am still not sure what to do with them, if I can catch them. I mean, nobody seems to want to take them. I would feel bad if someone took them as food, then really, is it any worse then where I am right now?

I will have to go buy another net. I wish I had another tank, then I would just trap Big Bertha and put her in there. I think that would calm things down in the tank for awhile anyway. So weird how things can change iin just a day or two. I am sure it is because of all the changes in the plants. With the new ones, there is more open water. I guess that is what started it all out.

Dogs are so much easier then fish.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:19 PM   #29
 
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What are you doing with the fish once you catch them??

Dogs are so much easier then fish.
Once I catch them into the new 75 they go. It wasn't a matter of wanting a new tank, but needing a new tank. Why? Because I didn't stock properly (surprise!) and I don't have the heart to rehome my fish, so I understand how you feel. It also probably has alot to do with the type of fish and not wanting to rehome them. I'm not parting with my school of puntius denisonii. Truth be told, if it was tiger barbs or a gourami I could do it, but not these fish. I feel bad enough about even owning them (numbers decreasing in the wild, not yet bred in captivity) I can't part with them. Which just goes to show you we ALL make mistakes!

Yes, dogs are so much easier than fish...until you get hit with a huge vet bill!!
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Old 07-20-2010, 12:10 AM   #30
 
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Yes, dogs are so much easier than fish...until you get hit with a huge vet bill!!
Or a new emergency tank bill? lol I hear you on the vet bill though believe me. Any idea what a new ACL cost? Mama needs a new pair of shoes, believe me.
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