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Old 07-19-2010, 04:11 PM   #11
 
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I agree. I planted 3 new Anacharis plants yesterday in the back of my tank. I am thinking that if they take off, I might move a few or purchase some more for the middle. That might help with the line of sight thing. I hope Big Bertha can hold off from any fits until they grow. There are no large or fully grown plants to plant, they always come tiny.

Also, I made a few more calls trying to find a home for one of the Gourami. I know someone who has a 20 gallon tank in their basement and am hopeful they will have interest in setting it up for their kids. Keep fingers crossed.
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Old 07-19-2010, 06:31 PM   #12
 
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That is sad. I think the reason is probably what is mentioned in our profile of this species, cited below:
Reasonably peaceful with robust fish such as the quieter barbs, loaches, larger catfish. Males are territorial, becoming aggressive when ready to spawn. As the fish matures, some remain relatively peaceful while others become somewhat nasty to other fish. Best when kept in a male and female pair.
As I wrote this morning in another thread on a similar topic, individual fish within a species can behave somewhat differently, but there are general traits programmed into a species by nature and we cannot change them. Sometimes environment issues alter the fish's temperament or behaviour, sometimes inadequate space, sometimes poor tankmates or too few fish of the species, etc. And sometimes the fish does what it was "built" to do, presumably for the good of the species as a whole--to weed out inferior fish and perpetuate the species.

All we can do is learn as much about a fish species as possible before deciding if it will suit our tank, and then make sure we house it according to its needs. I think a 4-foot tank is fine for this species, but I also think there need to be more visible barriers as I believe zof mentioned before more than one male should be there. But even so, one must accept that with this species, or indeed most all of the gourami, males are territorial, that is in their genes, and some will display this more than others, again undoubtedly all in the course of what nature intends.

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Old 07-19-2010, 06:50 PM   #13
 
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The tank looks nice. You have some floating plants on the left side. Maybe add some floating plants and some more tall plants on the right side so that each gourami will have a place to hang out. I think zof and Byron hit the nail on the head with the "line of sight" thing.

Do you have any pics of your gouramis? Maybe we can tell which sex you have. One male and one or two females should be ok. But, each fish has it's own personality. Big Bertha may just be a bully no matter what sex it is.
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:10 PM   #14
 
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again undoubtedly all in the course of what nature intends.

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Yes and the truth is, I like the shy Blue fish better. I guess just because I have never been a fan of aggression, bullying or anything like it. I am so sad about the loss of life. The truth is, if I got rid of the Gold one, in time, the Blue might very well become a bully as well. I guess that is sort of life.

What are the chances that all 4 of the fish I got were males? I would have thought that I had at least one female. Do Blue and Gold mate together or no? Would it be beneficial to try to get some female Gourami? In a pet store, I can't imagine trying to know which is which when they are frantically trying to catch them. At this point I am desperately trying to find someone who will take either of them. Preferably the Gold one. So far, no takers.

I would feel even worse if it turned out that the Gold one wasn't really to blame for the deaths of the other 2 but I can't imagine what else it could be.

Jeaninel This is Big Bertha


This is Little Blue, the one that has passed


and little Gold (the second one to pass)
I really thought that this one was a girl and Bertha was a boy at first because they started out the same size but Bertha grew very fast. Then it seemed as though they were sort of building a nest in that pot. Bertha guarded it but little Gold was allowed in. I never really saw Bertha chase the little Gold as much as the others. I will try to get a shot of the remaining blue but it is tricky.

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Old 07-19-2010, 07:29 PM   #15
 
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Alright, here is the remaining Blue Gourami. Not good pictures but the best I can do quickly.



Is this a girl or a boy? Again, this one is smaller then Bertha by far but they were much closer in size a few weeks ago. Also, as you can see the color is much different then the other little blue
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:30 PM   #16
 
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I would feel even worse if it turned out that the Gold one wasn't really to blame for the deaths of the other 2 but I can't imagine what else it could be.
Actually, I can (to answer the above), but I do tend to think the gourami this time. But the shark and the tiger barbs are certainly capable. I would have to sit and observe the tank for several hours before I could suggest which if any of these.

I would hold off on any gourami decisions for a time, let things settle. Sit back from the tank without moving and watch, see if you spot anything. I can sit for 2 hours in front of my tank (I sometimes fall asleep too) but when I do without moving, it is interesting what you can spot.

Forgot to mention previously what a nice aquascape that is going to be when the plants settle. Nice work indeed. Those swords are looking darn good in the photo.
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:37 PM   #17
 
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I said any suggestion short of flushing or getting a bigger meaner fish. I wouldn't do that. I do wish I could send her back to the store but of course, they won't take her. Then again, that would bother me too because I wouldn't want to see them sell her to someone that would be cruel to her/him either.

I can train all kinds of dogs, I wish I could train her to behave herself. I think she needs a good thump to the gills like Kymmie jokingly suggested.

Maybe I will leave the tank cover open and hope she jumps out. (kidding) Pretty sure my shark would jump out first. It says in their profile they tend to jump out of tanks.
Hmmmmm.... did you actually check with the store about returning her? Guess it depends on where you got her from but I had a common Pleco that outgrew my tank (I didn't know at the time I purchesed him how big they got) and my lfs took him back with no problem. They didn't give me any store credit but I knew he was better off going to a bigger tank.

I should note that the fish store was not a chain store. They quarantined him for a few weeks and then sold him to someone with 100+ gallons.

I hope you find a solution and I'm sorry about your fish death.
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:42 PM   #18
 
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Thanks Byron, I appreciate it. I am very hopeful that it will look nice when they all fill out. I added 3 more Swords yesterday to help "fill it out" and give more hiding spots. I am thinking of dropping a few silk back in until I see more growth just so there is a visual barrier from the other side of the tank.

I have sat and watched them while not moving. In fact, I turn all the light off except the aquarium lights and just watch them. My dogs love this and join me in watching quietly without movement.

What I have noticed are the Tiger Barbs nit pick each other but for the most part leave the weaker Gourami alone. I really do not see them doing anything to anyone other then themselves and on occasion they have chased Bertha but only after she starts it by chasing them.

The Black red tail shark was a chicken for the most part and hangs out in his log or under the sponge filter. I He seems to share the area with the smaller remaining Blue Gourami and to date, hasn't ever been spotted chasing the weaker ones. Again, I did notice that he has chased Bertha but she appeared to be trying to claim his log. I have watched him swim peacefully right around the Blue one without issue. I am sure everything can change once the aquarium lights are off.

Again, I was told that the Black Red tail shark is actually not a shark at all but of the catfish family and that it is peaceful to tank mates other then other shark species. I hope that this was not yet another mistake in my believing that. I do not understand why they will sell species that are nasty when someone has specifically said they want a peaceful tank. I am getting grumpier as time goes on with this. Who CAN be housed with a shark and Tiger Barbs? not to mention a grumpy Gourami.

It seems like Bertha has everyone on edge now. :(.
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:43 PM   #19
 
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Big Bertha does look female to me. Females generally will have a shorter, more rounded dorsal fin while the males dorsal will be a bit longer and more pointed. Although, it is harder to sex them when they are young and their fins are not fully developed. I can't tell with the little blue if it's male or female. How big is it? The little gold one looks like it was sickly or maybe had a deformed spine. That may have contributed to it's death.
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:54 PM   #20
 
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Big Bertha does look female to me. Females generally will have a shorter, more rounded dorsal fin while the males dorsal will be a bit longer and more pointed. Although, it is harder to sex them when they are young and their fins are not fully developed. I can't tell with the little blue if it's male or female. How big is it? The little gold one looks like it was sickly or maybe had a deformed spine. That may have contributed to it's death.

The Blue is only about 2 inches long at this point. Bertha is about 3 1/2 inches long.

Do you mean little Gold or Little Blue looked deformed? Little Blue had a kink in his body from day one. I thought maybe the fish lady smacked him against the glass when trying to catch him or something. Great personality though. The little Gold seemed alright but didn't grow as quickly as Bertha so maybe something was wrong. How sad is that? 2 deformed fish out of 4.

I just tossed in a bunch of silk plants to sort of cover the gaps. Now I will have to worry that they are shading my real plants. UGH!!!!
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