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post #11 of 24 Old 08-03-2011, 02:19 PM
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.25 is toxic to be sure but I wouldn't use ammonia remover quite yet. Better to save that for drastic spikes. Figure out whats wrong and fix it without adding any other variables. Ok byron snuck in there and explained that in better detail.

Have you looked in your filter and lifted up the hidey spots to check for bodies? They have to be there somewhere, unless someone else puled them out. Danios wouldn't eat an entire fish like that. Are you sure you actually got the fish, or does your aunt still have them at her house waiting for you?

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post #12 of 24 Old 08-03-2011, 02:21 PM Thread Starter
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thank you very much, i will most certainly try that. as you can probably tell i am new to this and i want very much to keep my fish happy and alive lol.
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post #13 of 24 Old 08-03-2011, 03:02 PM Thread Starter
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@ladayen- no she brought them and put them in, my dad said she had brought about 4 and wouldve been too big to get in the filter, and i looked all around the tank, and in the hiding places and didnt find one single tetra
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it is surprises me to think that the fish are gone, yet the shrimp i got last week are all alive lol
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post #15 of 24 Old 08-03-2011, 07:18 PM
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Have you looked outside the tank by chance? on the floor?
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i have, but found absolutely nothing. we are all just completely stumped lol
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post #17 of 24 Old 08-04-2011, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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I had a look at their website and Microbe-lift Special Blend breaks down organic waste among other things. This produces ammonia, so while they say it eliminates ammonia, it in fact causes it initially. Breaking down organics by bacteria produces ammonia, along with CO2, naturally. I prefer to let the bacteria build up in the substrate and not "push it" like this. Just my opinion.

I would stop using this product. Use a water conditioner that detoxifies ammonia along with chlorine and chloramine; one that also detoxifies nitrite (as this will occur next) would be advisable in a new tank. I know of two that do both, Seachem's "Prime" and one called "Ultimate" [forgot the maker]. These will handle ammonia/nitrite for 24-36 hours. If either continues, another partial water change.

my aunt just had a few questions to that...(she is also a fish keeper)

1. If the ammonia and nitrites are detoxified for the fish, will they still be available for the bacteria to feed off of?

2. And will it still show up on tests?
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post #18 of 24 Old 08-04-2011, 11:51 PM
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Well I'm not certain if they will still be available for the bacteria to process, they will still show up on most tests.
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post #19 of 24 Old 08-05-2011, 01:07 PM
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Most ammonia detoxifiers work by changing toxic ammonia into basically harmless ammonium. Bacteria will use ammonia/ammonium if it is available, regardless. And most of our test kits will read both as "ammonia" so don't be fooled by that.

Nitrites I am not yet sure of; from another thread I have asked Seachem to explain how Prime detoxifies nitrite. I know it binds it somehow, but I am not sure if this somehow removes it completely or if it remains in some form suitable to bacteria. And I don't know if it still shows with test kits. I have not yet had a response.

Live plants will assimilate a lot of ammonia/ammonium as their nitrogen, so this helps a lot. Nitrite is not produced during this process.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #20 of 24 Old 08-05-2011, 04:05 PM
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Did you set up your tank and put fish straight in? You didnt cycle the tank first, you are using fish to cycle the tank? This will help give me an idea of whats happening (I have a good idea but want to confirm)
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