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This is a discussion on ammonia and Prime within the Beginner Freshwater Aquarium forums, part of the Freshwater Fish and Aquariums category; --> Originally Posted by Byron Last word on Prime and similar ammonia detoxifiers: they work for about 24 hours, maybe slightly longer. [Ammonia detoxifier filter ...

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Old 02-27-2011, 04:24 PM   #1
 
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Last word on Prime and similar ammonia detoxifiers: they work for about 24 hours, maybe slightly longer. [Ammonia detoxifier filter media are different, they are intended to work continually, or at least until the manufacturer says they no longer function, whenever that may be.] So if there is ammonia in your tap water for instance, and you use Prime or a similar conditioner, it will detoxify the ammonia in the tap water for 24-48 hours. But by then, the bacteria and/or live plants will be using the ammonia/ammonium anyway. Prime and similar conditioners should not be used to deal with ammonia constantly produced in the tank; this should be resolved by finding the source and removing it. Once the tank is cycled, or if it is well planted, you should never, and I mean never, see ammonia or nitrite that can be detected by test kits like the API. It is only if something drastic occurs that ammonia or nitrite will suddenly rise in a cycled and established tank, and in that case the source needs to be addressed. Ammonia in the tap water as I said is easily dealt with by a suitable conditioner.

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I'm sorry I don't mean to threadjack but I just have one question.

My tap water has .25 ppm ammonia in it and so does my tank. Nitrite and nitrate both read 0 for tap and tank using API liquid test kits. My tank is moderately planted and is cycled. So since the ammonia is in the tap I can use prime and by the third day there should be no ammonia left in the tank?

Anyway, sorry again and I hope the OP gets everything figured out.
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Old 02-27-2011, 06:26 PM   #2
 
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I have moved this to start a new thread. Others are more likely to see it now.

To your question, which I will start by asking a question of you: does the tank water test for .25 ammonia only after a water change, or permanently? In other words, when did/do you test (tank)?

And while I'm asking questions, how often is a water change done, how much water is changed (% of the tank), and which conditioner are you now using?

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Old 02-27-2011, 08:28 PM   #3
 
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hmm, let see. When i tested it, it was 3 or 4 days after my last water change and it read .25 ppm. I just changed my water again today so I will test in the next couple of days. I change 50% of the water once a week sometimes 30% twice a week and right now not using any conditioner. I've been reading up on it though and everyone recommends Prime which is why I asked my original question. Just trying what will work best for the situation.

My first thought was my tank might be overstocked (which I believe it might be slightly) but since it's cycled and moderately planted and both tested .25 ppm I'm guessing it's the tap water.

I will be getting my new tank later this week but I know it'll need time to cycle so I'm trying to get the water figured out now so I'm not torturing my fish.
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Old 02-27-2011, 08:42 PM   #4
 
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First on the tap water. You need a conditioner that detoxifies ammonia with every water change if ammonia is in the tap water. And the more water changed, the more crucial this is. Plants and to some extent nitrosomonas bacteria can handle some increase in ammonia, but there is the risk that too much will be suddenly introduced and neither the plants nor bacteria be able to assimilate it before it is detrimental to the fish. I personally would not think .25 "too much," but of course the API test is not absolute science and there may be some room for error.

With respect to the aquarium. Prime or similar ammonia detoxifying conditioners will handle the initial influx of ammonia, for 24-48 hours. By this time, the bacteria should have increased to handle it if it is still present [Prime detoxifies by changing ammonia to harmless ammonium, which both bacteria and plants assimilate]. With plants, it should be totally gone after 24 hours, as they can assimilate a fair quantity. Obviously, this depends upon the type of plants and their number. Fast growing plants are going to use more faster than something like Java Fern or Anubias. This is where floating plants are super; they assimilate CO2 from the air and they are close to the light source--which is why they are fast growing; they will use a lot of nutrients including ammonia/ammonium.

There should never be detectable ammonia in an aquarium. Test the water immediately prior to the next water change and see if it is still there.
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Old 02-27-2011, 09:28 PM   #5
 
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As usual Byron, very helpful thank you. I will pick myself up some Prime and test the water before my next change and post it. As for the plants like i mentioned in my thread about the black spots I have Broadleaf ludwigia, compact hygro, and a crypt. Right now I don't think floating plants are really an option in my 10g but when I get my bigger tank I will see what the LFS has. Thanks again.
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Old 03-07-2011, 09:23 AM   #6
 
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Just as a little update I tested my water yesterday then changed it. Nitrite and Nitrate were 0 but ammonia was still between 0-.25ppm. It did look a little lighter which is good though. I added Prime and will see what it reads in a couple of days.
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Old 03-10-2011, 10:42 PM   #7
 
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Just another update again. After letting prime work for a couple of days ammonia was pretty much gone. Glad I don't have to worry about that anymore.
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Old 03-10-2011, 11:40 PM   #8
 
Thanks for the update! Looks like Prime triumphs over ammonia again!!!
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