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Ammonia and Nitrite going up. What do I do?
Old 11-12-2009, 06:43 PM   #11
 
API Stress Coat. a little more than the recommend ammount.


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i didnt see any mention of a water conditioner.........what are you using for a water conditioner with your water changes?.........Prime is the hobby's favorite, since it detoxs ammonia and removes chlorine and chloromine, but their are others that also work well.........
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Old 11-12-2009, 06:44 PM   #12
 
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What exactly did you put in the tank for the bacterial infection and how much of it?
Excellent question as any antibiotic which contains amine group is bound to produce ammonia by themselves as med breaks down with time

IMO, I would stop using any chemical to detox ammonia.
Wondering about pH of your tap?

Bit concerned about tank's pH which 7.6, a point where most ammonia present in your water is in toxic ammonia form.

Salt will help binding up free nitrite thus will help but if your water is hard (high mineral content). I would not add salt.
Have you ever added salt to your tank on regular basis?


BTW, I would loose stresszyme for good dont waste hard earned money on unnecessary chemicals/additives.
I dont believe in using dechlirator personally but until you know how to condition tap w/o dechlorinator, use just the dechlorinator.
Keep up with pwc as others recommended until levels star to drop or has dropped.

Hope all goes well.

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Old 11-12-2009, 06:52 PM   #13
 
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Well the API Stress Coat should be doing the job for you..........Another suggestion could be to add some charcoal to your filter for a few days to remove the leftover meds in your tank........Cerianthus makes a good point with the meds still in the water........they could be the culprit of your ammonia problem
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Old 11-12-2009, 06:59 PM   #14
 
ph of tap is 7.6 also. I did not know that about it being more toxic at high levels. I have never added salt on a reg basis. Not sure about hardness.

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Excellent question as any antibiotic which contains amine group is bound to produce ammonia by themselves as med breaks down with time

IMO, I would stop using any chemical to detox ammonia.
Wondering about pH of your tap?

Bit concerned about tank's pH which 7.6, a point where most ammonia present in your water is in toxic ammonia form.

Salt will help binding up free nitrite thus will help but if your water is hard (high mineral content). I would not add salt.
Have you ever added salt to your tank on regular basis?


BTW, I would loose stresszyme for good dont waste hard earned money on unnecessary chemicals/additives.
I dont believe in using dechlirator personally but until you know how to condition tap w/o dechlorinator, use just the dechlorinator.
Keep up with pwc as others recommended until levels star to drop or has dropped.

Hope all goes well.
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Old 11-12-2009, 07:25 PM   #15
 
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Before you "just" add salt: Who's living in the tank, it may not be good for all.

Seriously don't add any more chemicals of any type in there others then the usual water conditioner for w/c. In doing these you'll also remove the meds & all else in there over time. Carbon will do you the same, over time, but lord knows if you have it around handy at home, I sure don't lol.

I know it suck but you'll get there, just keep testing daily & w/c and it will return to normal.
Next time if someone is sick, do like like me, take the fish out into a 1-2g tank that's souly used for purposes like that, treat fishy till he's good to go back home and dump the small tank out.
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Old 11-13-2009, 09:59 AM   #16
 
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Having read through this thread, the previous advice from others has been basically the same and I agree with it. Daily pwc is the safest way to go, 30-50%. Using a good water conditioner. And a biological supplement that is pure bacteria, like Seachem's Stability, or another provided it is pure bacteria. This quickens the re-establishment of the bacteria.

Salt will ease the nitrite problem, but you have to weigh this against the detrimental effect of salt on some fish species. You don't mention what's in the tank, so in general if there are catfish of any sort or characins, forget the salt; the daily pwc will handle things. On the other hand, if the tank is all livebearers or rift lake cichlids, salt will work fine.

This is a mini-cycle caused by loss of bacteria due to the chemicals. This is what can occur with some medications which is why one has to weigh the situation very carefully and consider the various ramifications before using medication. But that is for the future; for now, follow the above and monitor levels.

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Old 11-13-2009, 11:10 AM   #17
 
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IMO, I would stop using any chemical to detox ammonia.

BTW, I would loose stresszyme for good dont waste hard earned money on unnecessary chemicals/additives.
I dont believe in using dechlirator personally but until you know how to condition tap w/o dechlorinator, use just the dechlorinator.

IMHO i would NOT stop using chemicals to detox ammonia and as long as you are using API Stresszyme+ (not just plain stresszyme) it will do the job. I was using this but have since switched to PRIME because it is more concentrated and you get more treatments out of the same size bottle for that reason.

Agreed with the others regarding daily PWC until your readings are back to normal. And as the others have said weighing the benefits against the risks is very importent when adding any meds or chemicals to your tank.

Be sure and keep us posted on how everything is going...
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Old 11-13-2009, 12:26 PM   #18
 
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I'm not in favor of detoxing ammonia because the ammonia is needed to repopulate the bateria colony that was lost by the medication. It's perferable to remove the excess ammonia via PWC.
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Old 11-14-2009, 06:57 PM   #19
 
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UPDATE:

Thanks so much for all of your responses and opinions! I REALLY didn't want to dose the whole tank, but I had so many fish showing signs all ready I freaked out, and just went ahead. At least I caught that in time because it looks like every one is well! :D

None of my fish died! I cannot believe it! :) I haven't added anything except stress coat since this thread. But I did do 40-50% water changes everyday. The ammonia is gone and the nitrite is back down to .10. It never went above .30. Does this mean the mini-cycle is about done?

Oh, how long should I keep doing the water changes daily after the nitrite zeros again?

Thanks again for all the helpful comments!!! :)

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Old 11-14-2009, 07:27 PM   #20
 
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Glad to hear things are getting better. It takes time, and the pwc is an amazing treatment in itself.

I would not do daily pwc once the nitrite is zero. Don't add to the bio-load (new fish) for a few days at least and feed sparingly. Once you're back to regular weekly pwc it should be fine.

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