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post #21 of 54 Old 06-25-2010, 02:53 PM
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I went back through this thread, but don't see any mention of which water conditioner you are using; could you tell us please?

Second, just confirm that no other additives are going in, other than the water conditioner with each partial water change. Or if something else is being added, what and how much. Want to make sure we have all the data.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If youíre going to take it under your wing then youíre responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #22 of 54 Old 06-28-2010, 06:32 AM Thread Starter
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I have been adding the API Stress Coat to the water. In the beginning the API biological additives. (yes, the fish lady talked me into that) It is gone now, a small bottle doesn't go far in a 60 gallon with several water changes. I was thinking that once this bottle (a large one) is gone I will maybe try Prime? What are your thoughts? Thanks
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API Stress Coat will do the job at present. The one aspect of it that some don't like is that it

forms a synthetic slime coating and replaces the natural secretion of slime that is interrupted by handling, shipping, fish fighting, or other forms of stress

[taken from their website], but I wouldn't worry over that at present. For the future, yes, Prime is highly recommended although I don't use it since I don't need/want the detoxifying of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate in my planted aquaria. But as a water conditioner for non-planted tanks, it is highly recommended.

Biological supplements are OK in new tanks, in one without plants I would always use it myself. Don't know which you used, but I do not recommend API's Stress Zyme because it fiddles with the natural bacteria and I don't think that is a good idea. I use Seachem's Stability which is 100% pure nitrosomonas and nitrospira bacteria and it does help establish nitrifying bacteria quicker, much like seeding the tank with bacteria-laden media, etc.

By the way, as long as you are using a conditioner that detoxifies ammonia, you needn't be too worried about high ammonia test readings. These conditioners work by changing ammonia to the less harmful ammonium; bacteria (and plants if there were any) use the ammonium just the same. Test kits read ammonia and ammonium as ammonia, so while it may still show in a test, it is probably ammonium and safe. If the fish look OK, not to worry. However, these detoxifiers only work so long, usually 24 hours, so monitor ammonia daily and observe the fish, and be prepared for a partial water change at the first sign of fish stress.

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Thanks for all of your help. I have to admit, thus far, my fish tank has not been the relaxing experience I was hoping for. How do you feel about adding a Sponge filter to the tank? I was thinking of adding this

Filter Kit #5C (For 40-60 Gallon Aquariums).
Includes: Via Aqua 480 Pump, Hydro Sponge 5 PRO Filter (higher flow rates!), and Jungle Start Right Water Conditioner.ONLY $24.99







What are your thoughts on this? I currently have the emperor 400 bio-wheel hang on back type filter. I just thought adding the extra sponge would be a good thing and also help to keep the good bacteria in the tank.

I will be getting the PRIME and also the Seachem's Stability, if I can find it. My Mopani wood was smelly and had white fuzz on it, I took it out and scrubbed it and soaked it in boiling water for 1/2 hour, then returned it. The fish seem to enjoy hiding out by the wood so I didn't want to just keep it out but was worried about the fuzz after reading another thread on here. Also, the smell upon removing it was a bit much too. YUCK! Like Rotting eggs.

Is there anywhere else to get the sponge kits, If you recommend I should get one, that might be better? Also, how do you feel about adding aquarium salt to the tank for my Tiger Barbs to help with stress? It was recommended by a fish lady here but I wasn't sure if I should do that at all. I tend to find less is often best in dealing with all of my other animals, but I do not know fish.

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Thanks for all of your help. I have to admit, thus far, my fish tank has not been the relaxing experience I was hoping for. How do you feel about adding a Sponge filter to the tank? I was thinking of adding this

Filter Kit #5C (For 40-60 Gallon Aquariums).
Includes: Via Aqua 480 Pump,
Hydro Sponge 5 PRO Filter (higher flow rates!), and Jungle Start Right Water Conditioner.ONLY $24.99







What are your thoughts on this? I currently have the emperor 400 bio-wheel hang on back type filter. I just thought adding the extra sponge would be a good thing and also help to keep the good bacteria in the tank.

I will be getting the PRIME and also the Seachem's Stability, if I can find it. My Mopani wood was smelly and had white fuzz on it, I took it out and scrubbed it and soaked it in boiling water for 1/2 hour, then returned it. The fish seem to enjoy hiding out by the wood so I didn't want to just keep it out but was worried about the fuzz after reading another thread on here. Also, the smell upon removing it was a bit much too. YUCK! Like Rotting eggs.

Is there anywhere else to get the sponge kits, If you recommend I should get one, that might be better?
Have you tried bacteria supplement?? I was able to bring my ammonia and nitrate down to 0 after a week when I used that.
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Have you tried bacteria supplement?? I was able to bring my ammonia and nitrate down to 0 after a week when I used that.

Is that the Seachem's Stability that Byron was talking about? I only put in some API stress coat in the beginning but now I am only using the chlorine reducer at water changes.
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Is that the Seachem's Stability that Byron was talking about? I only put in some API stress coat in the beginning but now I am only using the chlorine reducer at water changes.
No, its this stuff that you can buy at your LFS. Its pretty much bacteria in a bottle. Most people put it in before they add fish, but you can also put it in during your water change. It speeds up your cycling process because you'll have enough bacteria quicker. Most pet stores I've been to have it.
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Oh, Yes, I did add some of that. I also went and got live filter media from an existing aquarium at the fishstore. The reason I am asking about the sponge is that once my tank is finally cycled, I don't want to lose that when I change the filter. Keeping the sponge in there would keep healthy bacteria in the tank. AT least that is my thought process. ha ha
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Oh, Yes, I did add some of that. I also went and got live filter media from an existing aquarium at the fishstore. The reason I am asking about the sponge is that once my tank is finally cycled, I don't want to lose that when I change the filter. Keeping the sponge in there would keep healthy bacteria in the tank. AT least that is my thought process. ha ha
I've never had a bio-wheel but I know a lot about them and they are good. A sponge filter would help you, but I don't think it would make that big of an impact during the first few weeks.
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how many fish did you have when you started cycling, and what are they??
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