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Old 06-21-2010, 06:07 PM   #11
 
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I am actually thinking of putting some plants in pots in my tank. I am going to get a few of those small strawberry pots and put plants in those. I might add one larger pot on it's side for a cave too. Still no big change in the numbers in my tank. I will continue to search for decor instead of fish. :)
What type of fish will be going in this tank? And what substrate?

Plants in pots work well in tanks with large cichlids or plecos that might otherwise uproot the plants. But aside from this (or in "clean" breeding tanks) I personally do not recommend potted plants. Some of the plants have quite extensive root systems and if you have houseplants you will know about plants getting root-bound and needing transplanting. If the plants have open space, they will grow better root systems. Depends upon the plants, some won't care.

The pots are fine on their own for making caves and such, either whole or broken in half. Just so you know it's not the "pot" that I'm against, it's the plants in the pots.
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Old 06-23-2010, 05:16 PM   #12
 
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At this point I am thinking of adding 2 Blood Parrots and maybe a Butterfly Pleco and 5 more Tiger Barbs to make a school.

If I add any plants, it will just be a few and I will chose carefully. I just thought a few real plants might be nice. So far, I have some plastic (which look crappy) and some silk which look slightly nicer but still fake.
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Old 06-23-2010, 07:22 PM   #13
 
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Blood parrot cichlids are large fish, attaining 8-10 inches and live for 10 years. No mention is made of tank size in this thread, but these fish need at least 50g when small so they will develop properly. Which brings me to another issue, they are man-made and some people object to what has been done with/to these fish getting "bubblegum" colours and such.

They would need strong filtration, as they are heavy eaters and have a sizeable impact on the tank's biology. I don't know how they are with plants as I have never kept them.
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Old 06-24-2010, 10:03 AM   #14
 
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Hm, I wonder if there is a such thing as a Dwarf Blood Parrot? The fish lady who says she has raised several said they average 6 inches at adulthood. The ones I saw were a bright orange. My tank is a 60 gallon. I Hope to get a larger tank in a few years, maybe 150 gallon, not sure yet.

I currently have an emperor 400 which is for up to 90 gallon tanks and have plans to get a sponge, this week. My Tiger barbs are half again as big as they were when I got them. I am shocked at how quickly they are growing. I wanted them to be larger before I added the Blood Parrots, so that is a good thing. I am still thinking about the Blood Parrots. Just as with dogs, I am not a fan of engineered fish. The only reason I was thinking about them is because they are pretty, slightly larger and would more then likely get along just fine with the Tiger Barbs.

I was told that right before I add them, I should rearrange my tank so that the Tiger Barbs are not so territorial. Does that make any sense?
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:29 AM   #15
 
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I would like to see a cichlid expert step in to this discussion; I've never had Blood Parrots, only know what little I know from research. But from that, I would certainly question the advice you were given by the store. And remember, it was the store lady that certainly mislead you on cycling.

I am wondering if these blood parrots might not be too "sedate" for tiger barbs? Iamntbatman and 1077 have kept large cichlids, as have many others here, and they keep close tabs on threads so they will probably be able to advise better than I can at this stage.

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Old 06-24-2010, 11:14 PM   #16
 
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Alright, thanks Byron. It is always good to hear multiple thoughts on these things. What works for some might not for others etc... I am definitely NOT getting anything real quickly so I have time to research. It wasn't a fish I was thinking about before seeing them. I have read a little about them and at first was incredibly put off by the fact that they are human engineered breed. I tend to think God does it better then we do and avoid such things. After seeing these fish however, I thought it might be a possibility. It wasn't just one person that told me about the Blood Parrots but you are right, it was mostly people who work at the fish store so...

It sure would be nice to hear from someone who has actually owned them and in what type of tank etc. I can't wait to hear anything you all can tell me about them.
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Old 06-25-2010, 01:36 AM   #17
 
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I have not kept the Blood Parrot but folks I know have. I find them an abomination and it is reported that these fish suffer from developmental abnormalities of the spine and swim bladder along with a mouth that they seem unable to close which may or may not affect feeding capabilities.
The one thing I am near certain of, is that tiger barbs would surely hamper the blood Parrots abilty to feed for they are much quicker than the rather slow "waddling" Parrot.
Have kept the green, and gold variety of Tiger barbs along with the more commonly seen orange and black and found that in group of a dozen or more ,they usually confine fin nipping amomg themselves and it is much less an issue than when these fish are kept in smaller groups.
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Old 06-25-2010, 09:14 AM   #18
 
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I am getting a little frustrated. Again this morning my numbers are showing the Ammonia spike but still nothing for Nitrite. I am now a little over 5 weeks in and I have yet to see any Nitrite, is that normal? I have to do partial water changes to keep my fish healthy but my understanding was there would still be enough ammonia in rocks, plants and decor that the Nitrite should still be produced. Am I wrong? Any idea as to how long ammonia is present in a tank before Nitrite spike?

It's not that I am in a hurry, I just can't help but think I am doing something wrong. I think today I am going to go search out a sponge filter, should I hold off adding that?
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I am getting a little frustrated. Again this morning my numbers are showing the Ammonia spike but still nothing for Nitrite. I am now a little over 5 weeks in and I have yet to see any Nitrite, is that normal? I have to do partial water changes to keep my fish healthy but my understanding was there would still be enough ammonia in rocks, plants and decor that the Nitrite should still be produced. Am I wrong? Any idea as to how long ammonia is present in a tank before Nitrite spike?

It's not that I am in a hurry, I just can't help but think I am doing something wrong. I think today I am going to go search out a sponge filter, should I hold off adding that?
have you tested for nitrAtes yet? its probably worth doing
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Old 06-25-2010, 11:37 AM   #20
 
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have you tested for nitrAtes yet? its probably worth doing
Yes, I got a reading of 0. The Ammonia keeps spiking every few days, then I do a partial water change to keep my fish safe.
It was my understanding that once I had Nitrates, the Ammonia would go down? I only have a few fish in a 60 gallon tank, so I doubt it is too much of a bio load for the filter.
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