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Old 07-03-2011, 09:48 PM   #1
 
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BIG problem with my daughters small tank (approx7.5g) we planted that also yesterday, but today we have ammonia at 4 maybe 8ppm. The nitrite is 0 and nitrate is 0 maybe 5 (hard to tell) ph 7.6.
Previous reading have always had some ammonia (any reading up to 2ppm), nitrite 0.5, nitrate 5.0. I am going to change water today, but want to get some Prime first because I have read on previous threads this helps with ammonia, I have only been using API tap water conditioner (removes chlorine and breaks the chloramine bond - doesn't mention ammonia). The fish all appear happy though, active and eating. Have been careful not to overfeed since ammonia of 4 last wed 29th june.
In this tank she has 3 guppies, 2 very small guppies, 2 zebra danios, 2 neons, 2 other fish, maybe tetras (clear with orange tail) a little bristlenose sucker, and a little algae eater. Is this too many fish?? the LFS said that we would be fine and could even put a couple more smaller fish, but after reading numerous threads on this site....not sure??
Also my daughter has been set up since 22nd may, didn't have a water test kit then but LFS told us it had cycled on 10th June! After learning alot more since then this seems fast. Her fish are gorgeous and I know she will be upset if they die, should I put the 2 zebra danios and maybe the other 2 two clear fish with orange tails (look abit like a tetra) in my tank (which is still cycling) or have they got a better chance in the smaller tank?
Sorry about all the questions but still learning and hopefully in the future will be able to help out other newbies :o)
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:07 PM   #2
 
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Ohman, do NOT listen to LFS salesmen/women. They do NOT know what they are talking about. The tank is really overstocked, especially for a new tank that isn't cycled. danios, neons(and other tetras) are most active and healthy when kept in groups of atleast 5 or more. With those fish, there is security in numbers. You can probably get away with a school of maybe 5 neons and one or two guppies, but that's probably it for 7.5G. As for the suckerfish and the algae eater, return return return! They will outgrow that tank and get really really big. If you can, return almost half of those fish.. That's why there's an ammonia spike, becuase there's too much waste output(ammonia) than the bacteria in the tank can handle, if there is one establishing yet. Neons probably cannot survive the cycle, so i'd return them, danios are infamous for being strong enough to, but many do not affirm of using live fish in a harmful environment to cycle. It's all up to you, but please return/sell almost the majority of those fish until the tank can handle it, and only if the fish that will be in it is able to live in it(in terms of growth over time).
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:37 PM   #3
 
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Ohman, do NOT listen to LFS salesmen/women. They do NOT know what they are talking about. The tank is really overstocked, especially for a new tank that isn't cycled. danios, neons(and other tetras) are most active and healthy when kept in groups of atleast 5 or more. With those fish, there is security in numbers. You can probably get away with a school of maybe 5 neons and one or two guppies, but that's probably it for 7.5G. As for the suckerfish and the algae eater, return return return! They will outgrow that tank and get really really big. If you can, return almost half of those fish.. That's why there's an ammonia spike, becuase there's too much waste output(ammonia) than the bacteria in the tank can handle, if there is one establishing yet. Neons probably cannot survive the cycle, so i'd return them, danios are infamous for being strong enough to, but many do not affirm of using live fish in a harmful environment to cycle. It's all up to you, but please return/sell almost the majority of those fish until the tank can handle it, and only if the fish that will be in it is able to live in it(in terms of growth over time).
+1. I concur
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Old 07-03-2011, 10:40 PM   #4
 
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BIG problem with my daughters small tank (approx7.5g) we planted that also yesterday, but today we have ammonia at 4 maybe 8ppm. The nitrite is 0 and nitrate is 0 maybe 5 (hard to tell) ph 7.6.
Previous reading have always had some ammonia (any reading up to 2ppm), nitrite 0.5, nitrate 5.0. I am going to change water today, but want to get some Prime first because I have read on previous threads this helps with ammonia, I have only been using API tap water conditioner (removes chlorine and breaks the chloramine bond - doesn't mention ammonia). The fish all appear happy though, active and eating. Have been careful not to overfeed since ammonia of 4 last wed 29th june.
In this tank she has 3 guppies, 2 very small guppies, 2 zebra danios, 2 neons, 2 other fish, maybe tetras (clear with orange tail) a little bristlenose sucker, and a little algae eater. Is this too many fish?? the LFS said that we would be fine and could even put a couple more smaller fish, but after reading numerous threads on this site....not sure??
Also my daughter has been set up since 22nd may, didn't have a water test kit then but LFS told us it had cycled on 10th June! After learning alot more since then this seems fast. Her fish are gorgeous and I know she will be upset if they die, should I put the 2 zebra danios and maybe the other 2 two clear fish with orange tails (look abit like a tetra) in my tank (which is still cycling) or have they got a better chance in the smaller tank?
Sorry about all the questions but still learning and hopefully in the future will be able to help out other newbies :o)
I might move the fishes you spoke of along with the bristlenose to your larger tank assuming they don't appear sick.(check for ammonia after twelve hours)
Would lessen the load on your daughter's tank and water changes with the PRIME you mentioned will help dilute the ammonia.
Seven gal tank will not support numerous fishes without near constant monitoring for toxins and performing frequent water changes. One male betta,or.. a few shrimps. (no betta) would be what I might consider.
Sounds like you have Two newly established tanks holding fishes in various stages of maturing, (cycling) .
Only hope for fishes is dilution of pollution through daily, or twice daily (smaller tanks), water changes until such time as nitrifying bacteria (good kind) can process the waste produced by fishes through respiration, and (poop) and wastes from foods offered

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Old 07-04-2011, 12:14 AM   #5
 
Have moved the neons, zebra danios and the two glass bloodfin to my big tank (will monitor closely) took bristlenose and algae eater back to LFS. Have done a 50% water change with double dose Prime and will do same tomorrow. This only leaves 3 guppies and two very small guppies in tank. Hopefully will all do well with daily 50% water changes. Thanks for advice, this tropical fish hobbie is alot harder than I expected but looking forward to a great outcome!
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:20 AM   #6
 
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Yeah man, the start is always the hardest. Once its cycled, everything should be smooth. Goodluck!
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Old 07-04-2011, 06:55 AM   #7
 
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You did the right thing - good for you! Happy cycling :)
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Old 07-04-2011, 01:30 PM   #8
 
What did you mean by we planted the tank yesterday?

If your LFS does have some plants I think the Guppies like floating plants, it would also help with the ammonia.
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:24 AM   #9
 
Sorry not sure if right terminology, changed the plastic plants to real ones, if you look at the picture of my aquarium you will see the new plants, hopefully they will do well. Went to a guy who specialises in aquatic plants rather than LFS, so heres hoping
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