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post #81 of 104 Old 09-16-2010, 06:53 PM Thread Starter
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That's a good idea with the slate, and I did something similar a while back--but it didn't really work. First, E. tenellus will send runners over the slate, and while the plants can't root in the slate, they will still appear, so it is no different picking those out (and breaking the runners) than in regular gravel or sand. I have this plant growing over rocks very nicelyl I keep open areas in the front, and it is not much effort to pinch off a runner when it starts, as during the weekly water change; I never havemore than one or maybe two each time. Second, the corys like to root in the substrate, and this is entertaining to watch--at least I think it is. Feeding them on slate loses that, plus mine didn't seem too keen on the slate anyway. Just my experiences.
Ok then, I won't but slate in.
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post #82 of 104 Old 09-18-2010, 11:46 AM Thread Starter
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Would Bolivian Rams or Apistogramma borelliis be able to happily breed in my aquarium and not be too aggressive to co-exist with the other fish?

Would I need a seperate tank to put the fry? (I know the parents will raise them, but if I have to grow them to 1 inch won't the males become aggressive with each other?)

Just curious...

10 gallon:
- 3 male platies

20 gallon:
(hopefully)
- 7 bloodfin tetras
- 9 neon tetras
- 1 bristlenose pleco
- 5 cories
- 1-3 dwarf cichlids

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post #83 of 104 Old 09-18-2010, 02:37 PM
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Would Bolivian Rams or Apistogramma borelliis be able to happily breed in my aquarium and not be too aggressive to co-exist with the other fish?

Would I need a seperate tank to put the fry? (I know the parents will raise them, but if I have to grow them to 1 inch won't the males become aggressive with each other?)

Just curious...
I have had spawnings of the Bolivian Ram (twice in the past couple of months) and the common Ram previously--both fish in large community tanks. And while not Apistogramma borellii, I have bred A. bitaeniata a couple of times, in a breeding tank (a planted 15g with just the group of five apistos). In a community tank you are highly unlikely to have fry survive to maturity. The parents are very good at protecting the eggs and fry, but once the fry become free swimming and the parents are herding them around the aquarium, they are almost certain to be gobbled up by the other fish. All catfish which are nocturnal will often get the eggs during darkness. My common Ram fry were eaten within minutes by a few corys when they spotted them. And both Bolivian spawnings have been eaten, one as eggs by corys at night, the second as fry by tetra during the day. In both cases the other fish "ganged up" and the parents had no hope of fending them off.

Turning to your question on aggression. I would not have a pair of Bolivians in a 20g community tank. On their own, this is plenty of room, and you would have maturing fry if they spawned. I would not even consider one sole Bolivian in a 20g, these may be "dwarf" cichlids but at 3.5 inches (males) they are not "small" when they are in a mixed tank. I had the male on his own for 18 months, and periodically he would decide it was time to spawn and clean a pit in the gravel, even though no female was in the tank; at at these times he defended that territory quite well, and this is in a 115g tank. I added a female a couple of months back, and when they spawn the male (and female too) are pretty rough fish. This is still in the 115g; in a very confined space there would also be considerably more stress to the rams themselves--they are constantly "chasing" other fish to maintain their territory, and in the confined area of a 20g the territory is basically the tank. Both the rams and the other fish would be stressed out by this, unless the other fish were all upper-water inhabitants. Rams remain close to the substrate, so their prime targets are all fish in the lower 1/3 or 1/2 of the tank.

The A. borellii reach just over 2 inches (males), and a pair when spawning would create much the same issues as the ram even though slightly smaller in size.

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post #84 of 104 Old 09-18-2010, 02:55 PM Thread Starter
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Ok, then what cichlids would be good for my tank and how many? (Doesn't matter if they breed or not)

10 gallon:
- 3 male platies

20 gallon:
(hopefully)
- 7 bloodfin tetras
- 9 neon tetras
- 1 bristlenose pleco
- 5 cories
- 1-3 dwarf cichlids

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Ok, then what cichlids would be good for my tank and how many? (Doesn't matter if they breed or not)
Aside from spawning times, most of the true dwarf cichlids (genera Apistogramma, Dicrossus, Taeniacara) would be fine in a pair. The A. borellii would work out; sorry if I was a bit unclear earlier. As I mentioned previously, these are not quite the problem that the larger Rams are when spawning, and upper-level fish are basically ignored. The pleco might get harassed a bit; with plenty of hiding spots (caves, wood) it would be OK.

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post #86 of 104 Old 09-18-2010, 03:23 PM Thread Starter
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wouldn't the cories get bullied too?

10 gallon:
- 3 male platies

20 gallon:
(hopefully)
- 7 bloodfin tetras
- 9 neon tetras
- 1 bristlenose pleco
- 5 cories
- 1-3 dwarf cichlids

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post #87 of 104 Old 09-18-2010, 05:08 PM
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wouldn't the cories get bullied too?
Yes...sorry, missed those before. H'm, maybe I need a rest.

Byron Hosking, BMus, MA
Vancouver, BC, Canada

The aquarist is one who must learn the ways of the biologist, the chemist, and the veterinarian. [unknown source]

Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #88 of 104 Old 09-18-2010, 05:22 PM Thread Starter
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Yes...sorry, missed those before. H'm, maybe I need a rest.
lol
u should go on the chat, it would be different then threads

10 gallon:
- 3 male platies

20 gallon:
(hopefully)
- 7 bloodfin tetras
- 9 neon tetras
- 1 bristlenose pleco
- 5 cories
- 1-3 dwarf cichlids


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post #89 of 104 Old 09-19-2010, 07:34 PM Thread Starter
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I just got a Co2 system... It was on clearance for $9 so I thought I mine as well get it. Just wanted to let you guys know.

Also, would I be able to add a small school of serpae tetras to my current stocking list (in my sig) or would I have to reduce the amount of bloodfin and/or neon tetras?

10 gallon:
- 3 male platies

20 gallon:
(hopefully)
- 7 bloodfin tetras
- 9 neon tetras
- 1 bristlenose pleco
- 5 cories
- 1-3 dwarf cichlids


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post #90 of 104 Old 09-21-2010, 02:37 PM Thread Starter
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???

10 gallon:
- 3 male platies

20 gallon:
(hopefully)
- 7 bloodfin tetras
- 9 neon tetras
- 1 bristlenose pleco
- 5 cories
- 1-3 dwarf cichlids

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