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Old 06-16-2012, 03:45 PM   #11
 
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Ph is around 7.5 (hard to read) with very carbonate hard water and i can either have general hard high or almost zero general hardness depending on if i get water from before or after it hits the water softener (well water), I mentioned bolivian ram because i love blue rams but i cant garentee it 80+ soft water so its out of the picture

API test strip reads 180gh 240kh 7.5ph 0 no2 0 no3

I picked general hard being high for the plants
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Old 06-16-2012, 04:36 PM   #12
 
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With those numbers I would want to soften the water a bit for the Hengels Rasbora and the Banded Dwarf Loach. Both will be wild caught, and occur in soft and acidic water habitats. The GH is not too bad, but the pH isn't going to move down with the KH so I would target the hardness.

The guppy will be fine as is, though not if the above is done.
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:10 PM   #13
 
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I'll try to find some peat to lower the ph then to around 7, not really comfortable trying to lower the kh so if it doesnt lower on its own with peat I'll just look for fish who can handle it, what fish would you reccomend with the ph as is?
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:38 AM   #14
 
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I'll try to find some peat to lower the ph then to around 7, not really comfortable trying to lower the kh so if it doesnt lower on its own with peat I'll just look for fish who can handle it, what fish would you reccomend with the ph as is?
There are quite a few, since the GH is medium. Have a browse in the characins and cyprinids sections in the profiles. Just a couple off the top of my head, the Harlequin Rasbora wilol be a bit more adaptable that the similar Hengels. The Pristella Tetra is suited.

Easiest way to lower pH wold be dilution with rainwater or "pure" water to reduce the GH and KH.
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Old 06-20-2012, 05:11 AM   #15
 
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I got 10 harlequin rasboras and I'm looking at black neon tetras or blue emperor tetras. I know I want salt and pepper corydoras if I can find them locally because of their small max size. I found some sparkling gourami at a pet store about 40minutes away would you advise getting a few or avoiding mixing the species?
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Old 06-20-2012, 01:50 PM   #16
 
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I got 10 harlequin rasboras and I'm looking at black neon tetras or blue emperor tetras. I know I want salt and pepper corydoras if I can find them locally because of their small max size. I found some sparkling gourami at a pet store about 40minutes away would you advise getting a few or avoiding mixing the species?
The blue emperor is likely what I called Kerri Tetra in our profile, Inpaichthys kerri. As it notes therein, this species is not related to the true Emperor T (aside from being a characin) but it is a nice peaceful fish. I had a group some time ago.

There is also a completely different fish sometimes called the Blue Tetra, Boehlkea fredcochui, not so suitable as it notes in that profile. I wouldn't add these, they can be quite nippy.

The Sparkling grouami will be rather lost in a 60g. I've had and spawned these beauties, and they always do best in smaller tanks, a 3-foot 33g or less, and with quiet fish. The rasbora would be fine with these, though not in the 60g as I say.
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:27 AM   #17
 
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I've been looking at my tank more and I'm starting to feel like its a 50 gallon 48Lx18Wx14H but even so I'll heed your advise the the sparkling gourami - they were at a store that had a lot of odd pink algae/bacteria blooms so I really didn't feel safe buying anything from them anyways but they were beautiful little fish maybe I'll get them their own tank with some yellow shrimp... I have the weekend off so I'm going to try petco for blue emperors and kuhli loaches, you mentioned I have pea gravel as the reason not to get them but the gravel I have is actually about 1/8th the size of pea gravel, I only have a few pieces on top that are actually pea sized. This gravel is the only of its kind I have ever seen, think of it as about 4x the size of a larger grain sand. Ph is also a negative point so I'll work on that before I get them, all my current fish are very adaptable to a lower ph

I've heard that fish always want to school in odd numbers and that they will kill an even to create odds, I had 10 rasboras but it seems 1 has died on me, my pet store offers a 2 week guarantee on all freshwater fish so I can always replace him or get store credit for a different fish or product. Also I'd like to note that these little guys are perfectly content not schooling, they manage to take up half my tank in a big mess of darting fishies. lol oh well at least they seem happy and every once in awhile they will group up for me
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Old 06-22-2012, 10:52 AM   #18
 
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I've heard that fish always want to school in odd numbers and that they will kill an even to create odds, I had 10 rasboras but it seems 1 has died on me, my pet store offers a 2 week guarantee on all freshwater fish so I can always replace him or get store credit for a different fish or product. Also I'd like to note that these little guys are perfectly content not schooling, they manage to take up half my tank in a big mess of darting fishies. lol oh well at least they seem happy and every once in awhile they will group up for me
Even or odd numbers rarely matter. It is with smaller numbers that this can be an issue, for instance if you have 2 or 3 angelfish there is more chance one will bully the other one/two to death, whereas in a group of 5 or 6 this is less likely as the normal aggression is spread around. And sometimes with certain species you want more males, or conversely more females, for reasons of natural behaviours. But aside from these cases, 9 or 10 or 11 fish in a group makes no difference.

"Schooling" really doesn't occur with freshwater fish. They shoal, which means they need a group, though some species will remain closer than others. Generally speaking, the rasbora in Trigonostigma tend to remain close together, mid-water level. The larger the tank the more this occurs. I happened to be at the Vancouver Aquarium yesterday, and in one display that must be close to 1000 gallons, there are shoals of Lemon Tetra, Red Eye Tetra and Penguin Tetra. Now in the average largish home aquarium, of say 4 or even 5 feet length, these species would most likely mix. But in this display they remain in very tight shoals, and swim together. Reason is simply the space; they are in a much more natural environment in this display tank, and that causes them to act naturally as they would in their habitat.
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