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post #11 of 20 Old 08-28-2012, 06:12 AM
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I think you have good instincts, maturity and restraint.

What's wrong with you?



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post #12 of 20 Old 08-28-2012, 07:04 AM Thread Starter
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I think you have good instincts, maturity and restraint.

What's wrong with you?
Oh, that comes from years of me being a dedicated dumb s*#t!

Consider the needs of your fish before acting on your desires.

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post #13 of 20 Old 08-28-2012, 08:26 AM
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Get some dwarf puffers and some little snails. That's fun to watch I hear.
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post #14 of 20 Old 08-28-2012, 12:00 PM
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I'm going out on a limb here, but this person who wants an aggressive tank sounds like the sort of new aquarist that needs to be very well educated about fish. I've heard of such people wanting tanks where the fish are constantly tearing into each other--like piranha they think--and they sit back enjoying it. Bad.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #15 of 20 Old 08-28-2012, 12:25 PM
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The sheer quantity and sadistic graphic quality of videos of this kind on YouTube is truly disturbing. The argument is always that this is somehow "natural" despite the fact that a piranha will never encounter a goldfish in nature and that this is all nothing more than a thinly veiled excuse to satisfy adolescent blood lust.

I am always cautious, therefore, in trying to ascertain the reason a person might want this type of tank, and careful to mention that predatory fish like piranha are not easily kept. Omnivorous fish like Oscars which often are put in the service of this kind of fetish, are even harder to keep healthy and to house.

To be honest, Byron, although I hate these videos and really wish YouTube would take them all down, I often suggest that people who crave fish on fish violence go watch these videos or shark week on Animal Planet in leiu of setting up a tank . It's simpler and cheaper for them and at least no new fish are confined in aquaria where torture is the main thing on the menu. . .

In my perfect world, this kind of abuse is as actionable as any cruelty involving cats or dogs.



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The sheer quantity and sadistic graphic quality of videos of this kind on YouTube is truly disturbing. The argument is always that this is somehow "natural" despite the fact that a piranha will never encounter a goldfish in nature and that this is all nothing more than a thinly veiled excuse to satisfy adolescent blood lust.

I am always cautious, therefore, in trying to ascertain the reason a person might want this type of tank, and careful to mention that predatory fish like piranha are not easily kept. Omnivorous fish like Oscars which often are put in the service of this kind of fetish, are even harder to keep healthy and to house.

To be honest, Byron, although I hate these videos and really wish YouTube would take them all down, I often suggest that people who crave fish on fish violence go watch these videos or shark week on Animal Planet in leiu of setting up a tank . It's simpler and cheaper for them and at least no new fish are confined in aquaria where torture is the main thing on the menu. . .

In my perfect world, this kind of abuse is as actionable as any cruelty involving cats or dogs.
I'm in agreement and would get no enjoyment from my pets attacking each other. But I often read about someones aggressive tank and my main question remains, what is the definition of an aggressive tank? They appear somewhat popular and thus can't simply be a gladiator tank. P.S. I have no intention of setting this up, but he asked and I need to know about this so I can be educated in my response.

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I'm in agreement and would get no enjoyment from my pets attacking each other. But I often read about someones aggressive tank and my main question remains, what is the definition of an aggressive tank? They appear somewhat popular and thus can't simply be a gladiator tank. P.S. I have no intention of setting this up, I will push him towards a starter tank.
When serious hobbyists use the term "aggressive tank" they are referring to fish that are not community fish in the accepted sense. Such fish have normal behaviours that preclude them from being in a normal community tank, although they may suit larger tanks of carefully-selected fish species as well as single species setups. Provided the tank is large enough to accomodate their individual traits, there will not be any tearing or shredding of other fish, though sometimes this is natural within a species regardless.

Rift lake cichlids generally are considered "aggressive," in fact almost all cichlids are. Other species include Serpae Tetra, Tiger Barb (and some other barbs), Red Tailed Shark, some of the Botia loaches, Red Bellied Pirahna, Bucktooth Tetra, Leaffish, and others.

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Something we all need to remember: The fish you've acquired was quite happy not being owned by you, minding its own business. If you’re going to take it under your wing then you’re responsible for it. Every aspect of its life is under your control, from water quality and temperature to swimming space. [Nathan Hill in PFK]
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post #18 of 20 Old 08-28-2012, 04:34 PM
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There's that James Bond film that has a scene near the start where the evil villain is getting two male Bettas to battle to the death.

Is it really true that these fish are sometimes especially bred for agression and fighting purposes? If true, how horrifying. Dog fights, cock fights.... fish fights? :(
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10 is small for a paradise fish

125 - BGK, chanchito cichlid, pictus cats, silver dollars, palmas bichir
125 - cichlids (severums, bolivian rams, chocolate), rainbows ( turquoise, red), loaches (angelicus, zebra, kuhli and horseface), plecos (BN, RL and clown), denison barbs, tiretrack eel, pearl gouramis, betta
90 - Congo tetras, african knife, upside down cats, spotted ctenopoma, kribensis, delhezzi bichir
2.5 - betta
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post #20 of 20 Old 08-28-2012, 06:01 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you all.

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