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Old 12-28-2009, 08:44 PM   #11
 
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make sure you keep us updated as to your progress of your decisions and then PICTURES when you get it and set up!!!
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Old 12-29-2009, 02:38 PM   #12
 
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make sure you keep us updated as to your progress of your decisions and then PICTURES when you get it and set up!!!
I still have a little while until I get the tank... I'm planning on using giftcards I get for my birthday, and my birthday isn't until January 29th... but I plan on staying active on this board and keeping everyone updated with everything. And I will definitely take alot of pictures.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:16 PM   #13
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Not to hijack this good thread here, but what size tank would you go from internal to a HOB type of filter Angel? I am a total noob and in the midst of doing research for my first tank which is going to be 55-75G ...ish :) Thanks
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:44 PM   #14
 
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Not to hijack this good thread here, but what size tank would you go from internal to a HOB type of filter Angel? I am a total noob and in the midst of doing research for my first tank which is going to be 55-75G ...ish :) Thanks
I know you asked the question of Angel, but I'm sure she won't mind me chiming in. Personally I would never use a HOB filter. I did use them, back in the 1980's on all my tanks from 25g up to 55g. My "cons" with them were (1) it was not easy to direct the flow unless they had spigots (I think that's the term) rather than just a "waterfall", (2) they gave out much too great a water movement, and (3) if the power went out, they burnt out when it came back on because they would not self-start.

In the 1990's when I moved up to larger tanks, first a 90g and then a 115g, I followed the suggestions of others and got canister filters. I would not choose anything else. On smaller tanks, say up to 50g I would use a simple sponge filter.

My reason for using canisters and sponge is the same, you can control the water flow direction and the flow is, or can be set to, minimal. I have planted aquaria and this is very significant, as I've explained elsewhere.

The usually hard and fast current produced by HOB filters is not conducive to many fish, and certainly not to plants. Of course, some fish would be fine with this. The filter chosen for any aquarium should always be one that provides what the fish in the aquarium need. Forest fish and swamp/pond fish require very little water current; fish from fast rivers like some of the plecos require a stronger water movement to be comfortable.

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Old 12-29-2009, 07:53 PM   #15
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Thank you very much Byron. I have read about the canister filters as well. I got the HOB and canisters confused a little...well totally actually heheh. I will be looking for a good canister filter for my first tank. I appreicate the input and advice.
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:57 PM   #16
 
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I know you asked the question of Angel, but I'm sure she won't mind me chiming in. Personally I would never use a HOB filter. I did use them, back in the 1980's on all my tanks from 25g up to 55g. My "cons" with them were (1) it was not easy to direct the flow unless they had spigots (I think that's the term) rather than just a "waterfall", (2) they gave out much too great a water movement, and (3) if the power went out, they burnt out when it came back on because they would not self-start.

In the 1990's when I moved up to larger tanks, first a 90g and then a 115g, I followed the suggestions of others and got canister filters. I would not choose anything else. On smaller tanks, say up to 50g I would use a simple sponge filter.

My reason for using canisters and sponge is the same, you can control the water flow direction and the flow is, or can be set to, minimal. I have planted aquaria and this is very significant, as I've explained elsewhere.

The usually hard and fast current produced by HOB filters is not conducive to many fish, and certainly not to plants. Of course, some fish would be fine with this. The filter chosen for any aquarium should always be one that provides what the fish in the aquarium need. Forest fish and swamp/pond fish require very little water current; fish from fast rivers like some of the plecos require a stronger water movement to be comfortable.

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You have me very interested in the sponge filters now... I may have to investigate further.
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:10 PM   #17
 
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Not to hijack this good thread here, but what size tank would you go from internal to a HOB type of filter Angel? I am a total noob and in the midst of doing research for my first tank which is going to be 55-75G ...ish :) Thanks
I'd either A) have a sponge filter (for 15g or less) B) have internal filters (for 15-45g) or C) Cansiter Filters for 55g and larger

You WILL NOT catch me with a HOB There's several reasons I toss them strait out of any used tank I ever gotten: They're noisy for one (and I have tanks for relaxation reasons). Second specially in smaller tanks I like sand and/ or shrimp, either case sand get's disturbed and 'washed away' by HOB and shrimps get strait sucked up. Last but not least I find it unfortunate set up with the water wheel things to help drive out CO2 (cause all my tanks are planted, so I chose to do anything I can to keep CO2 INSIDE the tank).
But really the mood killer for me there is the noise. Internal filters have zip zero noise and from the lil experience i had with HOB, internal do a MUCH better job cleaning the tank.

If your going 55-75...for a 55 I MAY still consider the Cascade Internals (cause they're dang good) like here Cascade Internal Filters, Internal Filters | Pet Solutions
However 60g and up I'd pers definitely want a canister, my pers preference there is Eheim, just because they last longer then a tank does are super quite (yea the noise matter again lol) and even if you do break something by accident can always get parts yrs later still.....Here's the one I use for my big tanks (model 2213) EHEIM Classic External Canister - Filtration & Circulation - Fish - PetSmart

Hope this helps, if not feel free to shoot a PM any time


@CoffeeMan here's my pers pref. sponge filters and like I said any tank up to 15 maybe 20g, i'd pers def recommend them Bio Foam Single Sponge Filters, Sponge Filters | Pet Solutions

Puh what a long post- Sorry guys & gals...just wanna supply all info
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Old 12-29-2009, 10:14 PM   #18
 
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.... you can control the water flow direction and the flow...

thanks for picking this very important point up B. I almost forgot in my sleepy head here: HOB allows you nothing, no directing no dialing flow up or down if/ when needed, nadda. With a Sponge, Internal Filter or Canister you can control the flow rate (how much water get's pumped through & filtered) and it let's you chose the direction you want it to go to (which is not only important for the plant growth, but as I recently learned the hard way for the 1st time, also for algae)

Bottom line to me pers (and I do NOT mean this to offend anyone) HOB & Planted aquariums are just not written on the same page!
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:15 AM   #19
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Excellant info. Thanks to you both. In my noobish research I have been reading all the long posts I can on these forums :) Sorry for hijacking your thread coffeeman.
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:32 AM   #20
 
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The AquaClear filter is what I have as it came with my starter kit. I have no issues with it either and also enjoy the waterfall sound of it and the ease of use. One minus: they are made cheap and can crack easily. Mine hasn't yet but I tend to be very careful with it. Although I've had to dismantle the auger and clean it with a toothbrush twice already to get it to start again... I think the unit is starting to break down and that's only after 3 months of use... I think a new filter may be on my wish list in the nest few weeks...
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