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Adding on to my new community tank
Old 02-21-2008, 02:13 PM   #1
 
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Adding on to my new community tank

Well, I've finally got my new 85 gallon tank up and running, yay! I've got a Magnum 350 filter, play sand substrate, three 24" coralife freshwater single florescent 65W lights. The tank is going to be heavily planted.

I'm cycling with fish, unfortunately, but my other tank is drastically overstocked, and this is better than keeping them all in the other one, so I'm adding a few at a time, until all my old fish are in my new tank.

Here's what I have:
-1 chinese algae eater (I know, I know)
-1 corydora schwartz (the others have not survived)
-2 male honey gourami
-3 guppies (2 female, 1 male)
-too many baby guppies to count

What I'm adding:
-1 Bolivian Ram
-8-10 Threadfin Rainbowfish
-5 corydora schwartz
-2-3 female honey gourami
-a bunch of Red Cherry Shrimp and Trumpet Snails

So, any ideas on anything else to add? It's not that I don't have plenty of ideas, but I'd love to hear other opinions, as I'm sure there are plenty of things I haven't thought of! Preferably not plant eaters though, as this is going to be a heavily planted tank.
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:51 PM   #2
 
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Re: Adding on to my new community tank

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Well, I've finally got my new 85 gallon tank up and running, yay! I've got a Magnum 350 filter, play sand substrate, three 24" coralife freshwater single florescent 65W lights. The tank is going to be heavily planted.

I'm cycling with fish, unfortunately, but my other tank is drastically overstocked, and this is better than keeping them all in the other one, so I'm adding a few at a time, until all my old fish are in my new tank.

Here's what I have:
-1 chinese algae eater (I know, I know)
-1 corydora schwartz (the others have not survived)
-2 male honey gourami
-3 guppies (2 female, 1 male)
-too many baby guppies to count

What I'm adding:
-1 Bolivian Ram
-8-10 Threadfin Rainbowfish
-5 corydora schwartz
-2-3 female honey gourami
-a bunch of Red Cherry Shrimp and Trumpet Snails

So, any ideas on anything else to add? It's not that I don't have plenty of ideas, but I'd love to hear other opinions, as I'm sure there are plenty of things I haven't thought of! Preferably not plant eaters though, as this is going to be a heavily planted tank.
Well, for starters, I would be concerned about that chinese algae eater. It will prey on your fish when it gets large enough, they are known to be very aggressive. Another concern is in mixing a bolivian ram in with the guppys. The guppys are likely to become food. Same thing applies with the threadfin rainbow.. rams are too territorial and aggressive to mix with peaceful and fancy fish such as that. They do a lot of damage real quick, even in a larger tank. The chinese algae eater may also eat your cherry shrimp.

In a fully planted tank with the existing fish, the corys would be a good addition, and maybe some other smaller, peaceful fishes to go with them? There are a lot of tetras that would be options for you, some of the other rainbows (not threadfins, not compatible with threadfins), cherry barbs, gold barbs... lots and lots of options.
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:34 PM   #3
 
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ok well i know bettababy said this already but you need to rehome that chinese algae eater.(you seem to already know that so i wont dwell on it :D ) i assume you will be getting rid of most of your baby guppies if there are too many to count? how many(if any)are you going to keep? i would leave out the ram as well. so if you leave out the algae eater and ram you could get the rainbowfish. so then you would have 6cories, 4-5gouramis, 3+guppies, 8-10threadfin rainbowfish and shrimp and snails right?
ok well i would add maybe some kuhli loaches, a school of neons/black neons, cherry barbs, deffinately some rummynoses, penguinfish, glassfish, killifish, whiteclouds, and spotted or harlequin rasboras.
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:38 PM   #4
 
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gouramis and threadfins don't mix in any size tank. Gouramis will chew up the threadfins pretty quick, and yes, even dwarf gouramis will do this. That is not a healthy mix.
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Old 02-22-2008, 09:04 AM   #5
 
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really even dwarf gouramis? oh well sorry i didnt know that... mine was always fine with the other little fish. well instead of the threadfins could you add hralequin rasboras or cherry barbs or something like that?
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Old 02-22-2008, 11:05 AM   #6
 
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Well I've got honey gourami, not dwarf gourami- and they seem pretty docile, I could be very wrong though. I'm quite fine just keeping the two of them and not adding more if this would keep the setup more peaceful.

Yes, I know Dan (the CAE) has to go! I love him so much though :(. On a side note, he and my cory are best friends. My cory likes to sleep on top of him and he follows my cory all around the tank. He should be alright for at least a few more months, but I'm going to get a river setup going for him- my first biotope, yay! I've also got some smaller tanks I can put him in if I start to loose fish.

I've heard so many conflicting reports on the rams! So many people say that they successfully keep them with tiny tetras, guppies, etc. Others say that they eat everything! I think I might just have to try it- I'll probably get rid of my guppies eventually anyway. They limit my tank so much, and they won't stop breeding!

The threadfins are kinda stuck with the tank. I keep trying to get my boyfriend to pick out fish, since he's been so supportive of my hobby taking over the new apartment. The only fish he's shown ANY interest in has been the threadfins, so I'd really love to work them into the tank.

As for barbs, I can't really say I'm interested in getting any. Firstly, I was under the impression that they weren't compatible with my gourami? Secondly, I really don't want such a nippy fish in my tank. I know people really like them, but I feel like it would limit my options in the future.
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Old 02-22-2008, 03:14 PM   #7
 
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With the gouramis, the reason I suggest not mixing them with the threadfins, is because they tend to occupy the same territory. With the fragile fins on the rainbows, and grouamis who are very territorial, there is usally a conflict between them and threadfins don't fare will once a gourami has started picking at it.

As for the barbs, not all barbs are nippy and nasty. Cherry barbs and gold barbs are actually very peaceful, and can mix well with what you have going, while bringing a lot of color at the same time.

If you're going to try to mix the threadfins in with those gouramis, I would be sure to float a lot of dense plants at the surface of the tank for territory, and shelter. Also, remember that as the fish mature they will likely get more aggressive, as is the case with most fish.

In regards to the rams, each fish is individual, that applies with any species.. but rams being cichlids have the same aggressive habits when it comes to territory. The other thing to watch with the rams is the water params. Most rams will need softer water than a standard community tank will usually offer, and also higher temps. Small fish and any fish with long fins get to be targets if they get near ram territory, and rams tend to claim an awful lot for their own. Again, if you're thinking of attempting this, lots and lots of dense plants, caves down low and in various places in the tank so the rams can find enough for themselves without having to bother the others.... and just maybe you could get lucky. Please know that when rams settle in and are healthy, happy... if you have a pair you can expect them to spawn. You probably won't see any fry in a community tank (or you'll see your other fish get chewed apart), but they will still go through spawning behaviors when they are thriving... this means their territory increases dramatically. Rams tend to be wonderful parents, and with smaller fish in the tank... they could do real well in there for 6 months and then all of a sudden one day freak out on all of the other fish. Its best if you are prepared ahead of time, know to expect it. If you have enough other tanks around, can provide a qt tank in a hurry... like I said... I might work.

Considering we are talking about fish that come from various environments, can I ask what you pH, kh, and gh are at right now? Choosing fish for a tank isn't as easy as picking out something that looks good and just adding it in. You first must look and see what your tank will allow you to add...

Hope this has helped a bit. Oh, and btw.. if you keep that CAE in the tank to see what happens, and then add threadfins, you are sure to lose the threadfins soon enough. A CAE will target those before even guppys because of the long flowing fins and their small size.
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Old 02-22-2008, 04:46 PM   #8
 
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Thanks a lot Dawn! I've had the gourami for about 8 months, and they were fully grown when I got them. They are fully sexually mature (blue throats and all) so I don't think their personalities are going to change too much more. Currently they are fine- I've never seen one nip at the other, just small chases, and their territories seem to be quite small (e.i. half a plant). Yes, the top, and whole thing, is going to be densely planted. There should be plenty of opportunity for the gourami and the threadfins to occupy their own territory (this tank is 6 feet long). I think I'm going to try to make it work, but again, I'll be ready to move the gourami if need be.

As for the ram, I'd definitely only be getting one. I really don't have any need for fry (if they were to survive), nor do I really care if they get more colorful when mating. I'd much prefer a less territorial fish. I'd like to get him as young as possible and raise him up- without being raised around females or competing males, wouldn't he be a less aggressive fish?

As for the CAE- he'll be moving out. I've got several extra 10G tanks, and as he is only a couple of inches, he'll be fine in there until I get a river tank setup.

Well, my pH is 7.6, as for gh and kh, I actually don't know. I'll be sure to find out this weekend, as soon as the snow allows! It seems that some fish keepers worry a lot about gh & kh, whereas others just leave it how their tank naturally is. I know that some fish are very sensitive to this, whereas other fish are much less picky. I tend to be of the opinion that water quality is much more important than these other elements, and look for fish that aren't too picky about them. I just read an article that Lupin linked to on some kuhlis who bred in completely different conditions than the wild. (http://www.loaches.com/articles/bree...pangio-oblonga)

I really do appreciate all the help, and am taking your suggestions seriously! I'm slowly working into the tank my current inhabitants, so I've got some time before I add more fish, and will certainly put a LOT of planning and research behind it. There's certainly no point in me keeping a bad mix of fish, it just means all of them will be unhappy, which makes them less interesting, less enjoyable fish.
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Old 02-22-2008, 09:25 PM   #9
 
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As for the ram, I'd definitely only be getting one. I really don't have any need for fry (if they were to survive), nor do I really care if they get more colorful when mating. I'd much prefer a less territorial fish. I'd like to get him as young as possible and raise him up- without being raised around females or competing males, wouldn't he be a less aggressive fish?

Not necessarily... again you are dealing with personality as much as you are natural instincts. Rams, in general, have the ablility to be quite aggressive, whether alone, paired, or in groups. While I can see the chance of the gouramis and threadfins working out, even 1 ram in that kind of situation is pretty iffy. I am not just thinking about your other fish, but also of the ram. What kind of ram are we talking about?



Well, my pH is 7.6, as for gh and kh, I actually don't know. I'll be sure to find out this weekend, as soon as the snow allows! It seems that some fish keepers worry a lot about gh & kh, whereas others just leave it how their tank naturally is. I know that some fish are very sensitive to this, whereas other fish are much less picky. I tend to be of the opinion that water quality is much more important than these other elements, and look for fish that aren't too picky about them.
These other elements are a part of your water quality, and just as equally important as waste levels. Fish rely on the minerals in the water for their organs to function properly, and different fish need different levels of specific mineral content to be healthy. When we decide to "not worry about it", that's when things are most likely to get out of hand, and by the time we find it, it is often too late to save our fish. Hardness of the water will affect the central nervous system of the fish. Something like an African cichlid needs specific levels of mineral content for the body to function. If you were to try to move an African cichlid to something like a discus tank, the fish is going to be in major trouble. Likewise, moving a discus to an African tank. Fish compatibility would never get to be an issue because the environement would harm the fish beyond repair, and very quickly. It's very important to always know where your tank is at, and pH alone will not accurately tell you how hard or soft your water is. Shock from a rapid change in kh can do almost as much damage as that of a pH change. The other reason to test them all is to see where they balance. If one is off from where it should be, it can affect the others, and many other things going on in your water quality.
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Old 02-23-2008, 09:10 AM   #10
 
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Thanks Dawn- I will test my gh and kh this weekend, and be sure to take that into consideration when I'm contemplating the stocking of my tank. The more I think and research, the more I'd like to do a biotope. Way to throw a wrench in things! But I'm starting to realize that my OCD will take over in the long run and that having different fish from different areas will drive me up the wall.

I sorta realized last night that I need to get rid of my guppies. They breed like crazy, and in a heavily planted tank, the fry are going to survive too well- which just means an overstocked tank until I can get rid of them. I already know the CAE has to go, so that just leaves me with the gourami and my cory.

The fish I am the most attached to is my cory, who's from the Amazon. I couldn't ever conceive of getting rid of him. I also just got back from Brazil...so it seems that fate is taking control here. This will take care of my kh and gh problem as well. I will make sure to keep it at a range typical in the Amazon, and my Amazonian fish will be happy!

Of course, there is no point in keeping unhappy fish, so I really am taking your suggestions to heart. I won't be adding any fish to my tank until I am certain that they will thrive.
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