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post #11 of 19 Old 02-28-2013, 12:03 PM
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What kind of snails were you thinking of getting?
You say your tank is decently planted, mystery snails/apple snails will snack on your plants. So these may not be a good idea for your planted tank.
I like ramshorn snails and trumpet snails.
What kind of substrate are you using? Trumpet snails will help aerate your substrate as they burrow through it. This will help prevent the build of anaerobic bacteria, especially in finer substrates such as sand or dirt. (I believe your plants may help with anaerobic bacteria as well if your tank is heavily planted).
Ramshorn snails will eat your excess fish food, they make a good clean up crew. However they breed like crazy and many people think of them as pest snails. They'll also eat algae on the sides of your tank. If you go with these and end up with an excess you can plop some in another tank (if you have one) or give them away to other hobbyists.
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post #12 of 19 Old 02-28-2013, 04:56 PM
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I came across the other thread on much the same issues, so I have merged the two threads together. It is always better to keep one issue in a single thread. It prevents other members from duplicating their efforts, plus we can all see what has been said, and in the end you will get a better answer.

To your question about the proposed fish additions: adding angelfish to a tank already containing angelfish is very risky, as you seem to realize. If one of the two existing fish is a male, he may regard any new fish as intruders. Sometimes this can work if the existing angels are taken out, the tank is completely re-aquascaped, and then all the angels are added together. But this is not always successful. If the existing fish are both female, it is less likely to be a problem. The size/age of the existing angelfish also is a factor. This is mentioned in the profile.

Bolivian Ram can work with angelfish, but you need a bonded pair. A single Bolivian is fine; or a bonded pair. Bonded means the two fish have chosen each other; careful observation of the fish in the store tank will usually reveal bonded pairs. Putting a male and female together if they have not bonded usually results in the female being harassed, frequently to her death.

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I came across the other thread on much the same issues, so I have merged the two threads together. It is always better to keep one issue in a single thread. It prevents other members from duplicating their efforts, plus we can all see what has been said, and in the end you will get a better answer.

To your question about the proposed fish additions: adding angelfish to a tank already containing angelfish is very risky, as you seem to realize. If one of the two existing fish is a male, he may regard any new fish as intruders. Sometimes this can work if the existing angels are taken out, the tank is completely re-aquascaped, and then all the angels are added together. But this is not always successful. If the existing fish are both female, it is less likely to be a problem. The size/age of the existing angelfish also is a factor. This is mentioned in the profile.

Bolivian Ram can work with angelfish, but you need a bonded pair. A single Bolivian is fine; or a bonded pair. Bonded means the two fish have chosen each other; careful observation of the fish in the store tank will usually reveal bonded pairs. Putting a male and female together if they have not bonded usually results in the female being harassed, frequently to her death.

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As alwys Byron, your answer is very helpful and knowledgeable. We did end up getting 3 more angels. I will do as you suggest and remove the original 2, rescape and add all 5 together. They r all pretty young. I made sure to get the new ones the same size as the other.

We went with a school of 10 platys (3:1 f/m ratio). I know the angels will eat the platy fry and thats fine.

For the 30 gallon we went with 2 freshwater puffers and some mystery snails. We waited on the snails for the 75 gallon until we have introduced all the fish and they have something to really eat on.
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For the 30 gallon we went with 2 freshwater puffers and some mystery snails. We waited on the snails for the 75 gallon until we have introduced all the fish and they have something to really eat on.
What kind of puffers did you get? My fiance picked up some "freshwater" puffers not knowing much about them. The girl at the LFS told him they would be fine in freshwater, it turns out the ones he got (he has figure 8's and green spotted puffers) need to be converted to brackish water as they get older. I don't know much about puffers, they aren't really my thing. I figured I would bring it up though, as I've seen him having quite a difficult time with unexpectedly converting to a brackish tank.
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What kind of puffers did you get? My fiance picked up some "freshwater" puffers not knowing much about them. The girl at the LFS told him they would be fine in freshwater, it turns out the ones he got (he has figure 8's and green spotted puffers) need to be converted to brackish water as they get older. I don't know much about puffers, they aren't really my thing. I figured I would bring it up though, as I've seen him having quite a difficult time with unexpectedly converting to a brackish tank.
I researched while actually at the fish store it is an asselus puffer and is truly a freshwater puffer. When we got our platys home a pregnant one gave birth and our tetras at em!!!!! I couldnt believe they beat out the angels hahah
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Ha, I research when I'm at the store too. Some of the workers give me really funny looks when I pull out my phone and start Googling. And some of them seem so offended when they ask me if I need to know about something and I say I'd rather look it up - I've gotten some REALLY bad advice from pet store workers.
I don't believe I've seen that puffer, but it's good they didn't try selling you a brackish puffer as freshwater. My fiance's tank is a pain in the butt because he did that, neither of us knew anything about brackish tanks. And even though it's his tank I'm still the one that gets stuck researching and looking everything up.

It's kind of funny the tetras ate all the babies, my money would have been on the angels. With all the platy's you have though I'm sure the angels will eventually get their fill of baby fish.
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Ha, I research when I'm at the store too. Some of the workers give me really funny looks when I pull out my phone and start Googling. And some of them seem so offended when they ask me if I need to know about something and I say I'd rather look it up - I've gotten some REALLY bad advice from pet store workers.
I don't believe I've seen that puffer, but it's good they didn't try selling you a brackish puffer as freshwater. My fiance's tank is a pain in the butt because he did that, neither of us knew anything about brackish tanks. And even though it's his tank I'm still the one that gets stuck researching and looking everything up.

It's kind of funny the tetras ate all the babies, my money would have been on the angels. With all the platy's you have though I'm sure the angels will eventually get their fill of baby fish.
I guess it was the luck of the draw when we added the platys that the tetras just happened to be close by. I didnt even know the tetras would eat babies lol. The angels were too busy exploring their other new schoolmates to notice the fry of platys. But we have a couple pregnant females so im sure the angels will get them a bite lol. Thats actually one of the reasons i decided on the number of platys i did. I figured the fry would be a nice for my angels, never dreamed for the tetras too lol.

We also got a sweet new 4 gallon fluval tank for our betta. Hes a HaPpY man lol.
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post #18 of 19 Old 03-01-2013, 06:40 PM Thread Starter
The platys arent gonna make it long. We've already lost 3 to angelfish nips. The angels are ruthless with them. Oh well
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post #19 of 19 Old 03-05-2013, 12:49 AM Thread Starter
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So since the pirate ship took up the entire aquascape, we decided to remove it and add driftwood. Gonna add some more plants now. What do u guys think?
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