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65 gallon planted tank - setup journal
Old 11-26-2011, 02:35 PM   #21
 
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Once a week with the liquid ferts and every month or two with the tabs.
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Old 11-26-2011, 02:51 PM   #22
 
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Thanks!

As for Water changes the first couple weeks- every few days? Once a week?
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Old 11-26-2011, 03:29 PM   #23
 
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I'll try to comment on the several questions/issues raised since my last post, at least those that stand out to me.

The spraybar directed into the end glass does work well at lessening the current. I will just mention a personal experience on this. In my 5-foot 115g I have a few fish that need some current, namely the trio of Spotted Woodcats. So I have the filter outflow about 15 inches from the end wall (left side if you look at the photo of this tank) with the spigot (not a spray bar) aimed at the end wall. The standing wood at the far left has tunnels, and the 3 woodcat took up residence in these due to the current which is relatively brisk as it hits the wood. That plus the end wall weaken it as it is deflected back into the tank. But the area that the other fish stay in is indicative of what I frequently write about water movement and fish. The cardinals always stay at the far right side; very rarely do I see them left of centre. The Roberti Tetra similarly remain in the right half, and back under the large swords, even more than the cardinals (who also like shade). The corys are all in the right half at the back, out of the light and current--by which I mean they "rest" in this area; during the day they are out and about searching for food.

To the rams. If this is a 4-foot tank, 4 may work. If there is male/female, they will perhaps pair up and bond. If the male doesn't like the female, he may spawn a few times, then kill her. Mine did. I recommend this species be kept singly (a sole male), a harem (one male, 3+ females in 4+ feet) or a large group (7-8) if sufficient space. The issue arises when they pair up; the bonded pair will not appreciate other rams anywhere in the tank. They will spawn regularly until they die (4 years lifespan) so this is a continual issue. The extent of the stress and damage varys with the individual fish.

A comment on differing information on various sites. I always consider reliability based upon the author of the information. When I write our profiles, I research several sources, sometimes varying depending upon the species. Those that have knowledgeable biologists, ichthyologists or aquarists writing them, almost always agree on data. If one of these "reliable" differs, I mention that as "some sources say..." or whatever.

There are some who put considerable trust in a fish's ability to adapt to differing water parameters; I am not in this group. It is true that some species do have a remarkable tolerance, but many do not. And in most it is much easier to have flexibility within the acidic or basic range, but not between the two.

On the light fixture, some will operate with one bulb removed, some will not; depends how it is constructed.

Water changes should be weekly from the start--assuming a planted tank with no cycling issues. More frequent changes are needed if ammonia or nitrite appear. Otherwise, no. A new tank will often develop a cloudiness due to a bacterial bloom and water changes will worsen this and extend it. The tank needs time to establish itself biologically. Provided there are no issues, obviously.

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Old 11-26-2011, 06:36 PM   #24
 
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THANK you!

Are you sick of my questions yet? If so, you may want to stop reading.

I bought brazilian pennywort today... should I leave the full stems or cut them into smaller bits? I see roots at each junction... so I assume I can cut them but then wonder if they're happier attached.


Fish... I went to the wet spot today and they only had one solitary female pseudom. gertrudae. She was with some buddies, but none of her species. Plan ruined! They have some small ones that they're raising to be larger but are not ready yet (in their offsite holding area somewhere). So.... I am stumped. I can't do pretty much any other fish on my list as they are all somewhat sensitive. Kuhlis, rummynose, rams, killies, etc. We discuss maybe the goby, however it is more expensive. I see some beautiful purple pencilfish... I ogle them, but they are too expensive. (And no research done.) Silver tipped tetras are thrown out, and I like them, but I have read too many stories of them being nippy. I pass.

I see these Daisy's Ricefish (Oryzias woworae) which I had seen before and researched a bit as an interest. 74-80 degrees, 6.0-7.0 pH (or 7.5 depending on what you read).
Daisy's Ricefish (Oryzias woworae) - Seriously Fish
I was told they are relatively adaptable, love live foods but are not fussy, are now tank-bred, and so... I get them. They are now acclimating as I type. We'll see how they do. Pretty little fish. I have 6, not yet sure if I will get more at this point.

Photos will come later maybe, if I think turning the light on won't freak them out on their first day.

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Old 11-26-2011, 06:56 PM   #25
 
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Are you sick of my questions yet? If so, you may want to stop reading. :D
If I didn't want to try to help answer questions, I wouldn't be here. So never fear of asking. When I started into fish, forums like this one didn't exsist--neither did computers for that matter.

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I bought Brazilian Pennywort today... should I leave the full stems or cut them into smaller bits? I see roots at each junction... so I assume I can cut them but then wonder if they're happier attached.
This is a stem plant, so it grows by continually lengthening the stem. Roots and leaves grow from every node (your "junction") along the stem; many stem plants do the same, some less so, some only develop roots in the substrate. But you want to keep it in lengths of several nodes. The length is up to you and what effect you want. Planted in the substrate (the cut end), you can let it grow to the surface, or allow it to continue growing over the surface. To keep it shorter, when it reaches the surface or the height you want, pull it up and cut off some of the lower portion and replant the cut end of the top portion. If you cut the stem and leave the lower portion planted, it will usually sprout two new stems from the node where it was cut. I have some floating that have three stems. You can also grow it completely floating, just lay it on the water; here again you can periodically cut it to keep it shorter. If left alone, this plant will easily cover the surface and then begin to grow up through the cover and outside if it can find an opening. This is a very lovely and useful plant.

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Fish... I went to the wet spot today and they only had one solitary female pseudom. gertrudae. She was with some buddies, but none of her species. Plan ruined! They have some small ones that they're raising to be larger but are not ready yet (in their offsite holding area somewhere). So.... I am stumped. I can't do pretty much any other fish on my list as they are all somewhat sensitive. Kuhlis, rummynose, rams, killies, etc. We discuss maybe the goby, however it is more expensive. I see some beautiful purple pencilfish... I ogle them, but they are too expensive. (And no research done.) Silver tipped tetras are thrown out, and I like them, but I have read too many stories of them being nippy. I pass.
I agree on the Silvertip, that is a risk. A few other tetra are the same, so check before you buy.
The pencilfish are either the Coral Red or the Purple which is also often called Coral Red 2 or Double Red. Both are in our profiles: click shaded names, Nannostomus mortenthaleri and Nannostomus rubrocaudatus. I have groups of both presently; they need very soft and acidic water as they are wild caught from streams in Peru. But you have that our of your tap as I do. A group of 6 minimum of either. Lovely fish, but yes, they are expensive; I paid $12 each for my six N. rubrocaudatus a couple months ago. I wouldn't put these in a new tank, wait for it to establish (a couple months) if you do decide on them--and perhaps the WS will hold them? Some stores will when they know you are asking because of your new tank and want to do things right.

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I see these Daisy's Ricefish (Oryzias woworae) which I had seen before and researched a bit as an interest. 74-80 degrees, 6.0-7.0 pH (or 7.5 depending on what you read).
Daisy's Ricefish (Oryzias woworae) - Seriously Fish
I was told they are relatively adaptable, love live foods but are not fussy, are now tank-bred, and so... I get them. They are now acclimating as I type. We'll see how they do. Pretty little fish. I have 6, not yet sure if I will get more at this point.
I don't know this fish personally. I do know SF though, it is owned and run by my friend Matt Ford, a British biologist now living in Spain. Very knowledgeable individual.

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Old 11-26-2011, 07:06 PM   #26
 
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I plan on keeping the pennywort floating. I might snip it up a bit, or maybe not. I also have some wisteria up there too (extra from the shipment) but I prefer the pennywort.

The pencilfish were the purple - Nannostomus rubrocaudatus. So pretty. I'm sure they'd hold them for me. Hmmm... not a bad idea. They are selling them for I believe it was $60 for 6, and they only had 6 left. Hence, not wanting to put them in a newer tank.

Here we go!

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Old 11-26-2011, 10:26 PM   #27
 
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These little guys are so cool! They've only been here a few hours but are swimming in all areas of the tank - left, right, front, back, bottom and top. They will hang out all together, but occasionally go out and explore on their own. They ate food readily. So crossing my fingers that they'll be OK - all initial signs are good. I may just have to get 5-6 more of them. Maybe next week.

I think I should spread out the fish addition a week at a time - I think that's what I had read. I'll check levels daily.

Here are a bunch of crappy iphone photos just to get the gist of the plant setup right now. It's not as insanely bright as it looks (phone just doesn't know what to do with the light), and still slightly cloudy from all of the stirring up I've done over the past 2 days. I know it's a jumble of a whole mess of plants, but I think it's looking pretty good considering. Still needs work but I'm content for now... like I said, it's a bit of a pain to move plants around in the 24" tall tank. So I'm ready to enjoy it some. (Still open for input though - please and thank you!) Does it need some more small plants in the front area? Maybe some of those thin grasses that I see sometimes...? Feel free to suggest away.
The Pennywort up top has not yet been attended to - just dropped in. The java moss stuffed behind the intake of the filter is there for safe keeping until the driftwood comes sometime this week - then will probably tie it to bits of the wood, depending on how it looks.









From this angle the front and middle of the tank looks empty. I know a lot of it has to grow in, and that I'll probably end up removing some plants and changing the aquascaping once things are established, but still...



Hi little guys! Welcome....




Wow, taking shots of fish is tough - not great light and lots of movement and shifting focal ranges. Got out the SLR for these two, but need to play with settings quite a bit more in the future.



Whatcha doin'? Feeding me by chance?

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Old 11-27-2011, 08:51 AM   #28
 
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Very, very nice! you have done a really nice job in my opinion. What kind of fish are those? They are cute.
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Old 11-27-2011, 11:30 AM   #29
 
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Thanks so much!

They are Ricefish- most sources I've read call them Daisy's Ricefish, but there's not a lot of info out there, as they are newer to the trade I guess. Scientific name is Oryzias Woworae.
Daisy's Ricefish (Oryzias woworae) - Seriously Fish

They were definitely more intensely colored in the LFS - pretty little things with blue, red, and yellow, and their eyes flash blue, too. So far, I really like them - very cute, curious little guys.

The SF profile says this:
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...adults have also been observed grazing from solid surfaces, so the natural diet may also contain an algal component.
and I have already seen them poking around at the surface of some of the plants. They took tiny pieces of flake readily. Today I might try a bit of thawed frozen brine shrimp cubes for them.


I have to be careful in my feeding right now, I believe? Don't want too much waste in a new tank?

Are there any good compiled resources on feeding - what to feed and how to be certain all of your fishes needs are being met?

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Old 11-27-2011, 05:15 PM   #30
 
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Instead of swimming away when I walk by, (and stare at them, which I can't help but do frequently LOL) they come toward me now. :)

Thanks for recommending the Brazilian Pennywort - now that I've snipped it up and set it up top nicely, it looks great. I'm sold on floating plants!

When should I start the root tabs for the plants?
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