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40GB Planted...fishless cycle?
Old 01-14-2012, 10:33 PM   #11
 
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You mentioned Excel; I do not recommend this product because it is a chemical compound that has been known to kill some plants (Vallisneria for instance usually melts with this), and if overdosed it will kill fish. There really is no need for an external carbon source in a balanced aquarium, so using a product that can be detrimental is best avoided. CO2 (the source of carbon for plants) occurs naturally from the respiration of fish and plants but most from bacteria during the breakdown of organics in the substrate. Allowing nature to do its thing without interference is my preference.

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So, I too bought Excel, as I still want better plant growth. Good to get that info Byron. I've recently been getting what I guess is some type of hair algae on my vallisneria. I've cut the light back to 7 hours, but even after wiping it away or cutting the leaves, it's coming back. I'm running 2 florescent bulbs, one is an 18 watt the other is 22 watt. I wonder if my light is too intense for a 30 gallon? The val is growing well however.

I'll cut Excel out of my routine, just using comprehensive. Though I'll admit, today I bought a 40 count of the root tabs, because I've seen amazing results where I've put them near a couple plants. I'm now thinking of using only root tabs.

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Old 01-15-2012, 10:01 AM   #12
 
This year I tried my first planted aquarium. A 45 gallon High tank. I used Eco Complete and I have 3 Big Clown Loaches and several other Botia's. Plants are doing well.
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Old 01-15-2012, 10:20 AM   #13
 
When I started my planted aquarium, I also got plenty of hair alage. It is now gone. Don't know why but I have some ideas. I used a DIY Co2 system and used Excel and you can see I now have a lush planted aquarium but still a work in progress and no hair alage. I have some alage on my hoses and rocks and driftwood but I understand this is natural and adds character to the system.
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Old 01-15-2012, 10:27 AM   #14
 
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Very nice looking tank. Do you use Excel every other day, like directions indicate? I don't use CO2 system

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Old 01-15-2012, 12:32 PM   #15
 
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Hi Magpie!

First of all I just wanted to tell you that pic of "Avatar?" on your profile is priceless!!! Love it! I am curious, what did you mix with the Flourite? My 20GL IS planted...and I am loving it!!!!! I bought the 40GB because I am am "hooked" and want to plan an "artistic" creation!!! I have my tank pictured in my mind....but I want to take my time and research and learn as much as I can. I will definitely take pics of my progress! Thank you all so much!!!! Kathy
I got what my LFS calls "mesh" - to me it looks like a larger grain sand or a finer grain gravel - kind of in-between the two, and their plant guy really likes it, so I went for it.

Look forward to seeing your tank progress, it's always interesting. Have you decided on fish yet? I know you mentioned killies and cichlids...

(and thanks re: the photo. ;) )
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Old 01-15-2012, 01:03 PM   #16
 
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Haha, its addictive isn't it? I'm starting a 5.5 gallon shrimp tank, just set it up yesterday. I'm using White Cloud Minnows along with 7 live plants for cycling.

In my 20 gallon, I have a piece of petrified wood as a rock, very attractive in the aquarium. Also a piece of bog wood.
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Old 01-16-2012, 09:28 AM   #17
 
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Very nice looking tank. Do you use Excel every other day, like directions indicate? I don't use CO2 system

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At first I used Excel every day then when I add my DIOY Co2 system I went to every other day. I fertizlize my plants using a chart I got from Sea-Chem's website. It is a suggested plan but it seems to work for me.
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Old 01-16-2012, 12:32 PM   #18
 
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You mentioned Excel; I do not recommend this product because it is a chemical compound that has been known to kill some plants (Vallisneria for instance usually melts with this), and if overdosed it will kill fish. There really is no need for an external carbon source in a balanced aquarium, so using a product that can be detrimental is best avoided. CO2 (the source of carbon for plants) occurs naturally from the respiration of fish and plants but most from bacteria during the breakdown of organics in the substrate. Allowing nature to do its thing without interference is my preference.

So, I too bought Excel, as I still want better plant growth. Good to get that info Byron. I've recently been getting what I guess is some type of hair algae on my vallisneria. I've cut the light back to 7 hours, but even after wiping it away or cutting the leaves, it's coming back. I'm running 2 florescent bulbs, one is an 18 watt the other is 22 watt. I wonder if my light is too intense for a 30 gallon? The val is growing well however.

I'll cut Excel out of my routine, just using comprehensive. Though I'll admit, today I bought a 40 count of the root tabs, because I've seen amazing results where I've put them near a couple plants. I'm now thinking of using only root tabs.

Gwen
Algae occurs due to light. In a planted tank, keeping algae "off the plants" is the aim, and once the balance between light and nutrients is reached, algae will not be a pest. But getting this balance can be tricky sometimes.

If sufficient light (intensity) is available and all 17 nutrients are available, plants will photosynthesis full out and algae will not stand a chance. As soon as something is no longer available or sufficient, photosynthesis will slow and may even cease. If light is still present when something else, say CO@ or nitrogen or trace minerals, run out, algae will take advantage. Light should always be the limiting factor to plant growth.

When I see brush algae increasing (this is the only algae I ever have issues with) I reduce the light duration. I do this because I know the intensity is sufficient for the plants I have, and I know I am providing sufficient nutrients to balance. Without fail, this always stops the increasing algae. Sometimes it may be as simple as additional daylight entering the room during the longer and brighter days in summer. But light is the culprit, provided the nutrients are available. This is why reducing fertilization to control algae is not the way to go; it starves the plants so they are less able to out-compete the algae. Unless of course the nutrients are way overbalanced for the light to begin with.

So Gwen, reducing your light is key. Are your two tubes T8 or T5 HO? I can offer suggestions when I know this.

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Old 01-16-2012, 01:41 PM   #19
 
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Algae occurs due to light. In a planted tank, keeping algae "off the plants" is the aim, and once the balance between light and nutrients is reached, algae will not be a pest. But getting this balance can be tricky sometimes.

If sufficient light (intensity) is available and all 17 nutrients are available, plants will photosynthesis full out and algae will not stand a chance. As soon as something is no longer available or sufficient, photosynthesis will slow and may even cease. If light is still present when something else, say CO@ or nitrogen or trace minerals, run out, algae will take advantage. Light should always be the limiting factor to plant growth.

When I see brush algae increasing (this is the only algae I ever have issues with) I reduce the light duration. I do this because I know the intensity is sufficient for the plants I have, and I know I am providing sufficient nutrients to balance. Without fail, this always stops the increasing algae. Sometimes it may be as simple as additional daylight entering the room during the longer and brighter days in summer. But light is the culprit, provided the nutrients are available. This is why reducing fertilization to control algae is not the way to go; it starves the plants so they are less able to out-compete the algae. Unless of course the nutrients are way overbalanced for the light to begin with.

So Gwen, reducing your light is key. Are your two tubes T8 or T5 HO? I can offer suggestions when I know this.

Byron.

Cool. Thanks so much Byron for the help. My tank is 30 gallons. I have one AquaRays 18Watt T8 tube and one Daylight 20watt T-12 as my lighting. I've got the lights coming on at 12:30pm and going off at 6:30pm. I dose with Comprehensive once a week and was using Excel maybe 2-3 times a week. I ordered more root tabs, and plan on putting some in, after putting one near a dwarf sword of some type, (I sometimes don't remember the names of plants I put in my tanks) after I saw major growth within a week. The val plants are the ones that get the hair algae, no other plants in the tank.

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Old 01-16-2012, 01:55 PM   #20
 
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Cool. Thanks so much Byron for the help. My tank is 30 gallons. I have one AquaRays 18Watt T8 tube and one Daylight 20watt T-12 as my lighting. I've got the lights coming on at 12:30pm and going off at 6:30pm. I dose with Comprehensive once a week and was using Excel maybe 2-3 times a week. I ordered more root tabs, and plan on putting some in, after putting one near a dwarf sword of some type, (I sometimes don't remember the names of plants I put in my tanks) after I saw major growth within a week. The val plants are the ones that get the hair algae, no other plants in the tank.

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T8 (or T12) is fine, and you're down to six hours now, so we need to explore other options. And floating plants are the best and easiest; Water Sprite particularly is ideal for shading; Frogbit and Pennywort work too. Flourish Comp once weekly is fine. I would stop the Excel and monitor for 2-3 weeks, both for plant response and algae response. Don't vacuum the substrate, this will allow for more natural CO2.

The other thing that might be looked into is the source water, but if I'm remembering correctly you have soft or medium hard water, so that should not be an issue. Harder water means more minerals, this can sometimes affect the balance.

By hair algae, are you meaning brush algae, as in the photos below? As you can see, it can vary in appearance.
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